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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 16, 2013 12:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by eddieditolla on Sept 16, 2013 18:36:22 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr. Thomas
English 10
16 September 2013
The Odyssey Book 5
C. One question that I have to ask Poseidon is, why must you try to kill Odysseus and what do you have against him. I am confused about that part “Outrageous! Look how the gods have changed their minds about Odysseus – while I was off with the Ethiopians. Just look at him there, nearing Phaeacia’s shores where he’s fated to escape his noose of pain that’s held him until now. Still my hopes ride high – I’ll give that man his swamping fill of trouble!” ( pg 161 lines 315- 320) I think Poseidon, the god of earthquakes calling the other gods on Olympus like Zeus weak because they let Odysseus go to Ithaca without putting him through torture?
E. I think that Poseidon has a big problem with Odysseus. Odysseus thinks he is going straight home, “ But now Poseidon, god of the earthquake, saw him just returning home from his Ethiopian friends, from miles away on the Solymi Mountain range he spied Odysseus sailing down the sea and it made his fury boil even more.” (pg 161 lines 309 – 313) In this quote Poseidon seems like he wants to kind of kill Odysseus that it even make his fury towards even get hotter. Poseidon is not the nicest of charter’s, is a good way to put it because it seems he struggles a lot with him. He even got so angry “With that he rammed the clouds together - both hands clutching his trident – churned the waves into chaos, whipping all the gales from every quarter, shrouding over in thunderheads the earth and sea at once.” ( pg 161 lines 321 - 324) This scares the day lights out of Odysseus because he thought no one was going to interfere with his travels home. After all I think that Poseidon is a mean and cold-hearted person.
G. The character I will pretend to be is Odysseus when he is on his boat going home. If I was Odysseus getting ready to go home I wound make sure I have everything ready to go home. When the stormy seas start into chaos I would be nervous of almost losing my life again. “Wretched man- what becomes of me now, at last? I fear the nymph foretold it all too well – on the high seas, she said, before I can reach my native land I’ll fill my cup of pain!” If I said that line and saw the huge waves coming towards me I would abandon ship. I would feel scared to be in that water when trying to swim to see. Last I would feel accomplished, but would also feel tired and in pain from what I had been through the past several days.
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Post by kevinmcmahon on Sept 16, 2013 18:53:25 GMT -5
E) The Sea God Poseidon seems like a mean guy to me in book 5 of “The Odyssey”. The reason I believe that Poseidon is a jerk in this book because throughout the course of book 5 all he did was make Odysseus’s journey even more impossible. One way Poseidon made Odysseus’s journey even more impossible was on page 161 lines 315 – 320. There Poseidon says “Outrageous! Look how the gods changed their minds about Odysseus – while I was off with my Ethiopians. Just look at him there, nearing Phaceacia’s shores where he’s fated to escape his noose of pain that’s held him until now. Still my hopes ride high- I’ll give that man his swamping filled with trouble.”. This makes him a jerk because he is hurting Odysseus for no reason.
F) A good relationship in book 5 of “The Odyssey” was with Odysseus and the rest of the God’s His relationship between him and the other God’s is good because when he was in trouble the other God’s would help him in his or her own specific way. One way the God’s helped him was when he had fallen off of his boat. Here the Goddess Pallas helps him. Here it states “Here take this scarf, tie it around your waist- it is immortal.”. This allowed him to survive the rough waters.
G) If I was an actor I would have to act like I was tired, and scared. The reason I would have to act tired and scared because the most part of this reading he was drowning for most of the time. For example “I fear the nymph foretold it all too well- on the high seas she said, before I can reach my native land I’ll fill my cup with pain”.
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Post by phillipgay on Sept 16, 2013 20:11:21 GMT -5
C. Why does Poseidon hate Odysseus so much? In the line it shows “I’ll give that man his swamping fill of trouble!” Also, when Leucothea says “strip off those clothes and leave your craft” does she like him too? Or is she just trying to help him? When she says to him “but once you grasp the mainland with your hands untie it quickly, throw it into the wine dark sea” does she really trust him that much to give him the scarf of immortality? Why is there so much hate from Poseidon when he says “Till you fall in the arms of people loved by Zeus. Even so I can hardly think you’ll find your punishments too light!”? I don’t understand all of the hate.
E. “On the fifth, the lovely goddess launched him from her island, once she had bathed and decked him out in fragrant clothes.” You can see by this quote that their relationship is very well bonded and close. Also, even though Leucothea didn’t know Odysseus that well, she helped him out which shows a very good relationship between them. Also, Athena had a good relationship with Odysseus as you can see by these quotes. “But Zeus’s daughter Athena countered him at once.” “and escape his death at last”.
I. Well Eddie DiTolla, when Poseidon says the quote “Outrageous! Look how the gods have changed their minds about Odysseus – while I was off with the Ethiopians. Just look at him there, nearing Phaeacia’s shores where he’s fated to escape his noose of pain that’s held him until now. Still my hopes ride high – I’ll give that man his swamping fill of trouble!” this means that the Gods had the same feelings for Odysseus that Poseidon has for him at this moment which is hate. Then, Odysseus must have done something to win over their confidence and likeliness. Poseidon was probably thinking that the other Gods were weak to let a mortal change their mind about them probably only because he does not like him. I hope this answers your question.
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Post by alfredfrederic on Sept 16, 2013 20:21:55 GMT -5
D) I really liked the quote, “Outrageous, look how the gods have changed their minds about Odysseus, while I was off with my Ethiopians. Just look at him there, nearing Phaeacia’s shores where he’s fated to escape his noose of pain that’s held him until now. Still my hopes ride high, I’ll give that man his swamping fill of trouble.” (Page 161, lines 315- 320) I liked this line because we get an insight on what Poseidon has in store for Odysseus. The way he says it, it sounds like a guy who just came from a trip and missed a lot of important decisions. Now he doesn’t know why they want to help him and he wants to cause trouble to Odysseus before it is over.
E) Poseidon is acting like a butt right now. I mean Odysseus has just been held captive on an island for seven years and he decides to still throw a storm at Odysseus! What did Odysseus do to annoy Poseidon to do this? It seems like Poseidon is just trying to get a laugh out of his suffering doesn’t it?
F) It seems Athena really likes Odysseus. I mean Poseidon is releasing a storm at sea on him and she comes in and rescues him. She has been in his favor since the beginning of this story! Doesn’t it seem she has a crush on him? Then she puts him to sleep at the very end, as if she wants to help him? Doesn’t that seem odd?
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Post by jcktffy on Sept 16, 2013 20:28:53 GMT -5
I am confused about many things in this book but this one part troubles me. In line 346 it begins with Poseidon watching Odysseus sailing on the sea, and his spirit grew enraged. He shook his head and spoke to his own heart:
“Something's wrong!
The gods must have changed what they were planning
for Odysseus, while I've been far away
among the Ethiopians. For now,
he's hard by the land of the Phaeacians,
where he'll escape the great extremes of sorrow which have come over him—so Fate ordains. But still, even now I think I'll push him
so he gets his fill of troubles.”
I do not understand why Poseidon cares so much about Odysseus' fate. All of the other gods had decided what to do with Odysseus. Why would he be bothered by it so much?
The part of the chapter that I really enjoyed was when Odysseus was basically having a pity party for himself. Odysseus was upset because he had such bad luck and the goddess Ino came up from the ground and helped him out by giving him the veil that showed him the way and protected him. I enjoyed it because Poseidon has been trying to ruin it for Odysseus and Ino tries to do her best to help Odysseus out.
If I were to be a character in the book, I would be Odysseus because I feel that the journeys that he goes on would be interesting and fun. It would be cool to have all these encounters with the gods that are trying to save you from what Poseidon's trying to do to you.
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Post by Nicholas Leong on Sept 16, 2013 20:39:51 GMT -5
C. Poseidon: Why do you want to make life miserable for Odyssey? Don’t you feel bad for him? After all, he was stuck on an island with a goddess for 7 years and was forced to sleep with her. For example, in the book it says, “He spied Odysseus sailing down he sea and it made his fury boil even more.” I want to know what made him so angry at Odysseus. How bad of a thing could have Odysseus done too Poseidon?
E. I feel like Poseidon has no soul and is not a nice person if you piss him off. Another thing that I realized that if you piss a major god off, he will not give any mercy or show no mercy to you. For example, Odysseus did something to aggravate Poseidon and he made his life hell when he finally escaped from the island
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F. The scene where Poseidon sees Odysseus goes like this: Poseidon is in his secret lair or his throne and is watching a television screen of every single area of the ocean and gets a warning that Odysseus is coming on a boat and is enraged. His veins are bulging and clutching is trident really tight. He gets a button and presses it to send choppy waves and a storm to try to torture Odysseus.
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Post by chrisnoble on Sept 16, 2013 20:40:38 GMT -5
D. I liked the quote that said “At that a massive wave came crashing down on his head, a terrific onslaught spinning his craft round and round-he was thrown clear of the decks-the steering oar wrenched from his grasp-and in one lightning attack the brawling galewinds struck full force, snapping the mast mid-shaft and hurling the sail and sailyard far across the sea” (page 162 lines 346-351). I liked this quote because it describes how much trouble Odysseus was in. This quote also brought a lot of attention and anxiousness to me as I read it. I couldn’t wait to find out how Odysseus would get out of this problem, but he did.
E. I feel like nobody has a chance against the gods and goddesses. The idea that they can’t be beaten almost annoys me because non-gods have no chance against the gods. The quote said by Poseidon as he watched Odysseus sailing in the sea, “Still my hopes ride high-I’ll give that man his swamping fill of trouble!” (page 161 lines 319-320), annoys me because the reader knows that Odysseus will be put through a lot of trouble and there is a big chance that Odysseus has a small chance of defending himself against Poseidon.
G. If I was Odysseus when he was having a lot of trouble while sailing, I would be terrified. He knows that the chances of living are against him and he can’t do much to save himself. “Poseidon god of the earthquake launched a colossal wave, terrible, murderous, arching over him, pounding down on him, hard as a windstorm blasting piles of dry parched chaff, scattering flying husks-so the long planks of his boat were scattered far and wide” (page 163 lines 403-407). If I was him, I would be very scared and worried about what would happen next.
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Post by VonGarcia on Sept 16, 2013 21:11:28 GMT -5
C.) What did Odysseus do to make Poseidon extremely angry? I don’t think Poseidon will make someone suffer like how he made Odysseus suffer, sending him storms and giving him a hard time, unless they did something really bad. My second question is that why do female goddesses seem like they are attracted to Odysseus? We learn about Athena and the sea nymph and how they helped him on his way back to his home. Also there is the goddess Calypso who is deeply in love with Odysseus.
I.) I agree with @alfred about Athena seeming like she likes Odysseus. She has been helping him out several times. Also, she pleads for her father’s help just to make sure Odysseus survives. She saved Odysseus, who was surely going to die without her help, from the tormenting storms that Poseidon sent out while Odysseus was on his way home.
H.) If I were to set up the scene where Odysseus was on his raft in the middle of sea, I would have Odysseus on his vulnerable wooden raft. Suddenly, winds start picking up when Poseidon sees Odysseus. Waves start crashing and Odysseus falls of his raft and into the water. Then, I would have the sea nymph who helps him look like she is glowing in the dark waters. She would give him a scarf, which I would make it look like its shining, and Odysseus would tie it around his waist, saving him from the sufferings that Poseidon has given him. And Odysseus would be floating toward his home, after Athena calms the sea down when Poseidon leaves.
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Post by kyleconnolly on Sept 16, 2013 21:13:14 GMT -5
C) One thing I didn’t understand was how come Poseidon was never able to kill Odysseus? He was constantly at sea and Poseidon controls the sea and can control earthquakes. How was he not able to drown Odysseus especially when he’s in the middle of the sea, on a boat which was easily destroyable? “With that he rammed the clouds together-both hands clutching his trident-churned the waves into chaos, whipping all the gales from every quarter, shrouding over in thunderheads the earth and the sea at once-and night swept down from the sky-East and South Winds clashed and the raging West and North sprung from the heavens, roiled heaving breakers up and Odysseus’ knees quaked, his spirit too; numb with fear he spoke to his own great heart: ‘Wretched man-what becomes of me now, at last?’ (Book 5 Lines 321-329) Here you can see Poseidons power put on display.
E) I think despite the crazy obsession Calypso has for Odysseus, she still understands the situation around her. After seven years of captivity to try and enforce Odysseus to love her, Calypso is forced to let him leave, and she understands and agrees. Instead of becoming aggravated and upset by this, Calypso helps him on his journey, as it says “and summoned a wind to bear him onward, fair and warm.” (Book 5 Line 294) Here it shows that Calypso has not only accepted Odysseus’ release, but wants to help him.
F) Despite Odysseus leaving her, Calypso still cares about him, and they have a decent relationship with one another. Calypso helps Odysseus when it says “And Calypso stowed two skins aboard-dark wine in one, the larger one held water-added a sack of rations, filled with her choicest meats to build his strength, and summoned a wind to bear him onward, fair and warm.”(Book 5 Lines 291-294) Here Calypso instead of acting cruelly and punishing Odysseus, decides to help him on his journey, showing she still cares.
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Post by robertmaruca on Sept 16, 2013 21:52:44 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 5 Lines 288-547
C. What horrible thing did Odysseus do to Poseidon? Poseidon is always looking for Odysseus and him at the wrong time, while at sea. Poseidon nearly killed Odysseus with strong winds and a huge wave. Odysseus once again needed the help of the gods to survive another life or death situation. Now I really want to know why Poseidon and Odysseus are at such odds.
D. Odysseus says, “ Oh no I fear another immortal weaves a snare to trap me, urging me to abandon ship! I won’t. Not yet. That shore’s too far away.” When Odysseus says this I think even Odysseus knows that many gods and goddesses are trying to kill him so he may never return to Ithaca. I am starting to think that the conflict is more of a god vs. god problem than a god vs. Odysseus problem because even though some immortal gods are trying to kill Odysseus it ends up being another god how helps Odysseus by countering the enemy’s action.
E . Athena showed how she really cares for Odysseus when she halted Poseidon’s winds to try and save Odysseus. This is the second time she saves Odysseus and to me it looks like she is the only goddess or god on Odysseus’ side. Although the other gods and goddesses are meeting and discussing a way to save Odysseus, it looks like to me they always need Athena’s input when trying to save Odysseus.
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Post by martinsteffens on Sept 16, 2013 21:55:56 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 5
E) Since Odysseus is the protagonist, I feel like Poseidon’s actions against him were very unnecessary. Odysseus is about to make it to the next island, Scheria and Poseidon has to get in the way. “Thereon he gathered his clouds together, grasped his trident stirred it round in the sea, and roused the rage of every wind that blows till earth, sea, and sky were hidden in cloud, and night sprang forth out of the heavens. Winds from East, South, North and West fell upon him all at the same time, and a tremendous sea got up, so that Odysseus’ heart began to fail him. “Alas,” he said to himself in dismay, “what ever will become of me.”
B) This is a very big part to the story. The exact part that I am talking about is when Ino places the veil over Odysseus. If she never did this there would be no happy ending to the novel. “When he was in plight, Ino the daughter of Cadmus, also called Leucothea saw him. She had formerly been a mere mortal, but had been since raised to the rank of a marine goddess. Seeing in what great distress Odysseus now was, she had compassion upon him, and, rising like a sea gull from the waves, took her seat upon the raft.”
C) There is one main question I have to ask. How could there be a storm to help Odysseus if he is in water? Would Poseidon not try to let that happen or did he give up in this part?
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Post by luissantana on Sept 16, 2013 22:04:23 GMT -5
D. “She blocked the paths of every wind but one and ordered all of them to stop…” I thought that this was a great thing that a person would do. She helped him from part of the hard fate that he had to do. I thought it was very thoughtful things for her to do instead of having him just go through what he had to do. But instead it wasn’t just Athena that tried to help him from all of his troubles but others that also helped. This showed that the gods could act like humans and have feelings for others and be able to help them, which I thought was great.
G. If I was Odysseus then I would be very scared of the future. This is because I am in the sea without my boat and have to just float and paddle with my own hands to sure. Also because knowing that I was going to have a hard fate. This was because of all the things Poseidon would put me through, I would be very fearful for my life. “For many moments he was held under water…” This must have been one of the scariest moments that I would be going through. This is because I would be scared of when I was coming up to get air and if I would be able to get air.
I. I agree with Kyle. I agree with him because it is true she does know that she has to let him leave. She does get mad but not at Odysseus but at Zeus for being “jealous.” I also agree that she is understanding because instead of her just letting Odysseus go off by himself and not having any guidance she does help him and give him a push of wind.
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Post by victorpasquin on Sept 17, 2013 5:44:13 GMT -5
C) One thing I didn’t understand was how come Poseidon was never able to kill Odysseus? He was constantly at sea and Poseidon controls the sea and can control earthquakes. How was he not able to drown Odysseus especially when he’s in the middle of the sea, on a boat which was easily destroyable? “With that he rammed the clouds together-both hands clutching his trident-churned the waves into chaos, whipping all the gales from every quarter, shrouding over in thunderheads the earth and the sea at once-and night swept down from the sky-East and South Winds clashed and the raging West and North sprung from the heavens, roiled heaving breakers up and Odysseus’ knees quaked, his spirit too; numb with fear he spoke to his own great heart: ‘Wretched man-what becomes of me now, at last?’ (Book 5 Lines 321-329) Here you can see Poseidons power put on display.
E) I think despite the crazy obsession Calypso has for Odysseus, she still understands the situation around her. After seven years of captivity to try and enforce Odysseus to love her, Calypso is forced to let him leave, and she understands and agrees. Instead of becoming aggravated and upset by this, Calypso helps him on his journey, as it says “and summoned a wind to bear him onward, fair and warm.” (Book 5 Line 294) Here it shows that Calypso has not only accepted Odysseus’ release, but wants to help him.
F) Despite Odysseus leaving her, Calypso still cares about him, and they have a decent relationship with one another. Calypso helps Odysseus when it says “And Calypso stowed two skins aboard-dark wine in one, the larger one held water-added a sack of rations, filled with her choicest meats to build his strength, and summoned a wind to bear him onward, fair and warm.”(Book 5 Lines 291-294) Here Calypso instead of acting cruelly and punishing Odysseus, decides to help him on his journey, showing she still cares.
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Post by peterboustani on Sept 17, 2013 6:48:15 GMT -5
D. Personally I am very frustrated with Poseidon in this point in the story because he is making Odysseus' journey all the more difficult despite all he has been through that we have clearly seen in this recent few pages. The point that became confusing was when Poseidon says "Outrageous! Look how the gods have changed their minds about Odysseus..." From what it seems Odysseus had done something to perhaps no just Poseidon but also to the other gods as well. But then why is it Poseidon who is so unforgiving.
F. The relationship between Calypso and Odysseus is so odd as we see him being tortured for seven years so badly to the point were he is crying every single day after on the beach wishing to get home, yet at the end of the last reading, he leaves her with much controversial and confusing words. After everything he had been through, all of the suffering and complaining about this island and what Calypso has made him do yet when it came to leaving he tells her that she is in fact better than his wife in almost every way. "Ah great goddess, don't be angry with me, please. All that you say is true, how well I know. Look at my wise Penelope. She falls short of you, your beauty, stature. She is mortal after all and you, you never age or die..."
I. I agree with Alfred as I feel as though Poseidon is being an unnecessary burden on such a mortal. I have personal opinions on these supernatural forces such as these gods being in stories interfering with mortals but I believe we can all agree Poseidon has not shown any good reason to do what he has been doing.
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