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Post by Mr. Thomas on Mar 26, 2014 12:22:48 GMT -5
"If a body catch a body..."
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Post by victorpasquin on Mar 26, 2014 15:19:27 GMT -5
C) I don't get why Phoebe is so disgusted with Holden. I get that he got kicked out of school and all but I had the picture that she missed Holden terribly and wanted to see him. Now that he returned home, Holden can't say two words without Phoebe jumping on him about how much of a failure he was and that his dad was going to kill him. "'How's old Hazel Weatherfield?' I said. 'You write any new stories about her? I got that one you sent me right in my suitcase. It's down at the station. It's very good.' 'Daddy'll kill you.'" (Salinger 166) Holden tries to be positive and change the subject from him to something that she enjoys and she likes but she shuts him down, reminding him of how much of a failure Holden is to their family.
D) I liked when Holden tells Phoebe about why he did so poorly in school. He calls all of the students there phonies and mean guys. Now, we can see why Holden loathes Pencey and people who are phonies and in a way, bullies. Pencey has really changed Holden's life, as far as his outlook on life, and how he views others. "Oh, God, Phoebe, don't ask me. I'm sick of everybody asking me that, a million reasons why. It was one of the worst schools I ever went to. It was full of phonies. And mean guys. You never saw so many mean guys in your life." (Salinger 167)
E) I noticed how close of a relationship Holden and Phoebe have. Brothers and sisters tend to usually bicker and not talk to each other in a serious way. Even though Holden and Phoebe are bickering, they both say how they notice how the other is feeling or what the other is thinking just from body language or facial expressions. "Old Phoebe didn't say anything, but she was listening. I could tell by the back of her neck that she was listening. She always listens when you tell her something. And the funny part is she knows, half the time, what the hell you're talking about. She really does." (Salinger 167-168)
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Post by kyleconnolly on Mar 26, 2014 16:19:45 GMT -5
C) You would think that after being kicked out, Holden would’ve came to realize that maybe, just maybe he should’ve at least listened to the alumni of Pencey who was giving him advice. I understand why he didn’t listen at the time, but at least in hindsight he might’ve looked back on it, or is he too full of himself to ever admit that, at least in front of Phoebe? “He kept talking to us the whole time, telling us how when he was at Pencey they were the happiest days of his life, and giving us a lot of advice for the future and all. Boy did he bore me!” (Salinger 168-169)
D) I like the part where Holden is talking about how he wouldn’t want to be a scientist or lawyer to Phoebe when she constantly asks him what he does like. He talks about what the lawyers life is like and the money he made and to be quite honest it seemed like a pretty good life to me. “All you do is make a lot of dough and play golf and play bridge and by cars and drink martinis and look like a hot-shot” (Salinger 172)
E) One reaction to Holden not being able to “concentrate” is that he is a liar. Holden knew perfectly well that he was stalling and the whole not being able to concentrate is just a phony, which is hypocritical because he hates phonies. Sure maybe he was having difficulty concentrating but is it that hard to think of something you like? It should be natural there are so many things to like.
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Post by chrisnoble on Mar 26, 2014 16:36:17 GMT -5
D. I liked this quote when Holden and Phoebe were bickering with each other: “ ‘Who gave you that haircut?’ I asked her. I just noticed what a stupid haircut somebody gave her. It was way too short. ‘None of your business,’ she said. She can be very snotty sometimes. She can be quite snotty. ‘I suppose you failed in every single subject again,’ she said – very snotty. It was sort of funny, too, in a way. She sounds like a goddam schoolteacher sometimes, and she’s only a little child” (page 217). I liked this quote because it reminds me of my brother and I. We get into little arguments all the time, but they are no big deal. We both know that we still love each other and that we are always there for one another.
E. I like the reason why the book has its name: “And I’m standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff – I mean if they’re running and they don’t look where they’re going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them” (pages 224-225). I like this because it shows who Holden really is: a caring and loving person. I did not expect that to be Holden’s response to Phoebe, at all.
I. In response to Victor’s question about why Phoebe is so disgusted with Holden, I think it’s because she loves him so much. I think Phoebe cares a lot about Holden and that’s why she is always commenting about what he does. It’s because she loves him.
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Post by martinsteffens on Mar 26, 2014 17:04:20 GMT -5
Martin Steffens
Mr. Thomas
English 10
March 26, 2014
Chapter 22 from The Catcher in The Rye
A) “I kept talking about old Pencey. I sort of felt like it. ‘Even the couple of nice teachers on the faculty, they were phonies too,’ I said. ‘There was this one old guy, Mr. Spencer. His wife was always giving you hot chocolate and all of that stuff, they were really pretty nice. But, you should’ve seen him when the headmaster, old Thurmer came into history class and sat down in the back of the room.”
I can relate very easily to this quote. Whenever someone asks me about my school I have a lot to say. I can go on and on about the good and the school, friends and sports at Xavier. That is how I can relate to the quote above
B) I really enjoy the part where Pheobe asks Holden what he wants to be: “’You know what I’d like to be?’ I said. ‘You know what I’d like to be if I had my goddam choice?’ ‘What? Stop swearing.’ ‘You know the song ‘If a body catch a body coming through the rye’. I’d like-‘ “
This quote is very important to the story, mainly because this is where we find the title. Holden wants to stay a kid forever as we learn from lines shortly after. The poem reminded Holden of kids playing in fields of rye so Holden wants to stay a kid forever,
D) One line that keeps on coming up in this chapter that I really like is “dady’ll kill you”. I really enjoy this line because no matter what Holden says about Pencey the first thing that comes out of her mouth is always dadyll kill you. We have to remember that Pheobe is still a little girl and she acts much older. Even though this is the first time that Holden and Pheobe are seeing each other for the first time in a long time she stills is amazed at the fact that Holden is kicked out of yet another school.
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Post by eddieditolla on Mar 26, 2014 18:55:17 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr. Thomas
English 10
26 March 2014
Catcher in the Rye Chapter 22
I. I agree with Chris in his response to Victor because I too believe “she loves him so much. I think Phoebe cares a lot about Holden and that’s why she is always commenting about what he does. It’s because she loves him (Noble).”
D. A set of lines I liked was when Phoebe asks Holden what he would like to be when he gets older. “Thousands of little kids, and nobody’s around – nobody big, I mean except me. And I’m standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff – I mean if they are running and they don’t look where there going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That’s all I’d do all day. I’d just be the catcher in the rye (Salinger 173).” I liked this set of lines because it is significant to the book and I think it is funny. I think it is significant of the book because this where he get the name of the book and what it means. To me when I looked up the title it said something about taking of innocent children, I think that this is was Holden wants to do because he does not want the cliff to take the souls of innocent children.
F. In this chapter it seems like that Holden and Phoebe still have a good relationship, but to me I think that Phoebe is just trying to get Holden pissed off and saying that “Dad will kill you” several times.
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Post by alfredfrederic on Mar 26, 2014 19:06:49 GMT -5
C) So he got the name “Catcher in the Rye” from him misunderstanding “If a body meets a body in the rye”? Isn’t it funny that the simplest mistakes have such a good impact? Why was Phoebe bringing up their father so much? Was it that important or was she just trying to make sure Holden understood how badly he screwed up? Why does he describe her to be so smart and worldly? Is she really that smart and talented? Why does he suddenly decide to phone an old teacher again? Do you think it will end up like last time?
E) I find it funny that the title of this book comes from Holden misunderstanding the actual song. I mean you really wouldn’t expect something like that. You really wouldn’t. Now we have the title of the book’s mystery solved. I wonder what will be answered next. And it all really intrigues me how each question will be answered. I can’t wait to see what’s coming next!
F) It really seems like Phoebe and Holden are really close. They seem to be able to talk and they understand each other. It also seems that Phoebe knows Holden enough to tell what he is going through. It also seems that Holden knows he can actually talk to Phoebe, something we haven’t seen him do with other people. It is amazing what we can seem between these siblings that we haven’t seen with Holden before. I wanna see what this relationship does for Holden.
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Post by robertmaruca on Mar 26, 2014 20:35:24 GMT -5
The Catcher In The Rye Chapter 22
B. I think it is important to understand that Phoebe is the only person in this book that Holden can actually have a sincere conversation with. Holden is not scared or worried to tell Phoebe all his problems or why he gets kicked out of schools. When Phoebe told Holden that he likes nothing I think we gained important information because we found out that Holden really doesn’t like anything. He had trouble thinking of what he liked and what he said he wanted to be was very weird. Holden wants to be a catcher in the rye. Although it sounds weird we can now understand the title of this book. Holden wants to be a catcher in the rye protecting kids from falling off a cliff.
C. Why does Holden have to call his old English teacher Mr. Antolini? This is weird decision from Holden. It would be such a random call because he Holden never mentioned him before. Once again Holden decides to call somebody randomly without a real reason. Why does Holden call everybody a phony? In this chapter he even called his father a phony in a way. Holden has a problem with everybody for some reason. Holden thinks everybody is fake. I think Holden has problems trusting people.
G. If I was Holden I would be nicer to Phoebe. Holden is definitely getting annoyed with his sister. I think Holden isn’t being completely honest with her. Holden keeps denying that he doesn’t like anything. Holden should know that he can trust Phoebe because she actually shows concern for him and wants him to do good.
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Post by thomaslaible on Mar 26, 2014 21:19:27 GMT -5
I like the quote "I know he's dead! Don't you think I know that? I can still like him, though, can't I? Just because somebody's dead, you don't just stop liking them, for God's sake – especially if they were about a thousand times nicer than the people you know that're alive and all." I like this quote said by Holden because again, we see that Holden glorifies his dead brother. We don't doubt that Allie was a great person, but Holden, in his dissatisfaction with the existing world, can idealize his brother, instill in him all the values he feels are missing. This, of course, only drives him further into isolation and anger at the people around him.
I agree with Eddie on that In this chapter it seems like that Holden and Phoebe still have a good relationship, but to me I think that Phoebe is just trying to get Holden pissed off and saying that “Dad will kill you” several times. I can relate to this because when I do something stupid my brother does the same exact thing by annoying me about it.
I like the part when Holden comes back to Phoebe's room and she tries to ignore him. He assures her he's going to be fine on his ranch in Colorado, and harasses her about a stupid haircut somebody gave her. I think this is pretty funny because this shows that Holden has no worries about anything.
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Post by Peter Boustani on Mar 27, 2014 6:39:20 GMT -5
Peter Boustani
B. I felt like the part about Holding being the catcher in the rye was very interesting because it was the confirmation that my prediction was right. Holding feels that almost anyone past teenage years or younger than those nuns are phonies and bad people and that just like D.B. perhaps he's becoming a sell out too, at least in his mind. So to see that all he wants to be in life is the one making sure no one falls off is extremely reflective on the idea that Holding feels he has already lost his innocence perhaps and that he wants to protect the others from falling, that falling being this idea of becoming older, becoming a phony.
D. I really liked this chapter for two reasons, what it did in such short length and what it revealed about Holding. Holding seems to be holding in many many things that obviously depress him and on top of all of the other trauma he's gone through, everything he spoke of in this chapter was just more baggage. Hearing about the nuns again I actually did feel this sadness that Holding spoke about, how they would go around with their crappy baskets and try and get money and more often than not, not get anything. It's a very sad thought and also the story of the new character James Castle, the guy who jumped out the window after being beat up by those guys and not giving in. That is a horrific thing for Holding to go through and with this chapter it began to plug so many things together that it is easy to see why Holding is so messed up, especially with this idea of change and not wanting things to and in the past year or two so many things have changed.
C. Did James Castle kill himself or did the bullies throw him out. Holding wasn't there and is not necessarily the most reliable narrator so was it him that jumped or did the bullies get enough and throw him.
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