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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 14, 2013 15:09:37 GMT -5
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Post by Robert Maruca on Sept 14, 2013 15:44:39 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 1 + 5
A) In both books one and five we learn that Odysseus is trapped in the caves of Calypso. Calypso wants to marry Odysseus and refuses to free him. This form of captivation reminds me of when I studied the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Although this isn’t happening currently it does relate well to the event in the Odyssey. America needed to negotiate with the Iranians in order for Iran to release the American Hostages. Just like Hermes visits Calypso to tell her she needs to release Odysseus. This scene also relates to the scene in the Iliad when Agamemnon captures Chryseis.
B) This part of the text is important to the text because without it there would no longer be any point about this epic poem. Most of the poem is about the journeys of Odysseus, so without him returning to Ithaca there would be no journey.
C) I think Calypso is a decent character after what she did in book five. Even though she wants to steal Odysseus from Penelope, she shows her respect for the other gods (especially Zeus) when she releases Odysseus at the other gods’ commands. She also sent Odysseus on his return journey with food and wine. At the end of the reading she also vows not to attack Odysseus on this trip back to Ithaca. I believe this was crucial piece of evidence that we cannot judge characters before we really find out what they are about. Calypso might seem bad but to me she is generous and kind, as shown with the way she ultimately treats Odysseus.
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Post by robertmaruca on Sept 14, 2013 15:46:01 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 1 + 5
A) In both books one and five we learn that Odysseus is trapped in the caves of Calypso. Calypso wants to marry Odysseus and refuses to free him. This form of captivation reminds me of when I studied the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Although this isn’t happening currently it does relate well to the event in the Odyssey. America needed to negotiate with the Iranians in order for Iran to release the American Hostages. Just like Hermes visits Calypso to tell her she needs to release Odysseus. This scene also relates to the scene in the Iliad when Agamemnon captures Chryseis.
B) This part of the text is important to the text because without it there would no longer be any point about this epic poem. Most of the poem is about the journeys of Odysseus, so without him returning to Ithaca there would be no journey.
C) I think Calypso is a decent character after what she did in book five. Even though she wants to steal Odysseus from Penelope, she shows her respect for the other gods (especially Zeus) when she releases Odysseus at the other gods’ commands. She also sent Odysseus on his return journey with food and wine. At the end of the reading she also vows not to attack Odysseus on this trip back to Ithaca. I believe this was crucial piece of evidence that we cannot judge characters before we really find out what they are about. Calypso might seem bad but to me she is generous and kind, as shown with the way she ultimately treats Odysseus.
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Post by nicholasleong on Sept 14, 2013 20:41:20 GMT -5
C. When I was reading the Odyssey this quote really confused me and I wanted to know what it means in relation to the story. The quote is “Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy” The quote was confusing because I don’t know how this is related to the story of the Odyssey. Another question that I have is who is Muse? I know he/she is the daughter of Zeus. However in this quote “Muse daughter of Zeus” it clearly states that she is the daughter while in the other one it says implies Muse is a man who was in troy. The last question that I have is why did Zeus strike the ship with a lightning bolt? What did the people on that boat do?
E. Zeus to me seems like this cocky macho God that although he could do whatever he wants, abuses his power. For example, Zeus sends everybody out to do whatever he wants. This doesn’t seem right to me. I wonder if that if Zeus was not like this would the whole Greek view on the God Zeus be different? I totally think that it would because I see Zeus as this God that threatens people from a far to strike fear into his enemies eyes. But, imagine this, Zeus actually showing up and doing it. That would be much better.
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Post by phillipgay on Sept 15, 2013 13:48:07 GMT -5
C. Why did Poseidon take no pity if all of the other gods have? Why did he keep raging until he found the great Odysseus? Why would they want the more powerful Gods to practice outrage? Wouldn’t they want them to be nicer than the other gods? “no, let him be cruel and always practice outrage.”. What does it mean when it says “A great fire blazed on the hearth and the smell of cedar cleanly split”? E. When it says “Hermes could not find him within the cave. Off he sat on a headland, weeping there as always, wrenching his heart with sobs and groans and anguish,” I think that it means he was stuck somewhere and could not get home. Also, when it says “Hermes the guide and giant killer ate and drank. Once he had dined and fortified himself with food he launched right in, replying to her questions:” I think that she may have fed him and given him drinks to either make him tell her the information or she might have drugged him to make him answer. When it says “who would willingly roam across a salty waste so vaste, so endless?” it is that he went across the ocean but I do not know where he came from. I. Well Nicholas, the quote “Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy” has to do with the book The Odyssey because the characters in the book are always getting thrown off course of where they are trying to go due to the gods. Then, there are other gods that help those certain people get back onto track of where they were going.
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Post by ryan on Sept 15, 2013 15:21:19 GMT -5
D. In The Odyssey I enjoyed the first part of the reading the most (Book 1, lines 1-25) because I found that it was the easiest to decipher. In many other classes I have teachers who stress the importance of a good introduction, which I believe I saw here. Basically what happened in the first part of the reading, was a man (who we are yet to know the name of) asked Muse, the daughter of Zeus, to tell of the man in the storey of the Battle of Troy. What I am getting so far from the book is that this man (who is Odysseus) Muse will tell about is good at heart, but goes through many tragedies and hardships to help save mankind from the wraths of the gods. E. I found Athena very humorous in the reading because emotionally she cannot pick whether to like or hate Odysseus and seemed very wish washy. In the very beginning she was said to have been against Odysseus until she and every other god, except for Poseidon, felt pity for him (Book 1, line 22). Then she made a whole speech (Book 5, lines 9-23) on saving Odysseus from Calypso’s house after, according to Zeus, she was the one that trapped him there in the first place (Book 5, lines 24-31). B. I feel that, from what we have read so far, you could have taken the texts involving Athena out of the book because she makes the story more difficult to comprehend and since she is always contradicting herself all of her words cancel out each other. She is an unreliable source, which shocks me because according to Greek Mythology she is the goddess of wisdom and should me the most sure about herself.
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Post by kevinmcmahon on Sept 15, 2013 18:57:34 GMT -5
E) One character that I really enjoyed in “The Odyssey” book 5 was the character Calypso. The reason I like the character Calypso was because she was a character that one would really have to think about. The reason one would have to think about Calypso because everything she did was for her and for Odysseus. One example she did the things for Odysseus was “The man I saved, riding astride his knell – board all alone, when Zeus with one hurl of a white – hot bolt had crushed his racing warship down the wine – dark sea. There all the rest of all his loyal shipmates died but the wind drove him on, the current bore him here. And I welcomed him warmly,”. The reason she helped him was because on the island she lived on she was quite lonely so she would take care of him. She was going to give him the power of Immortality. But even though she treated him kindly he was kept as a prisoner. This allows one to think about what kind of character she is.
F) One relationship that I found a nice yet weird relationship was the relationship between Calypso and Odysseus. The reason I thought that this relationship was weird was because even though he was a slave and she was his captor. One example of this was when Calypso was talking to Hermes. She says “And I welcomed him warmly, cherished him, even vowed to make him immortal ageless, all his days …”. Even though Odysseus was a captive he was truly cared for.
G) If on a movie set designer and would be creating the set to book 5 I would use a lot of beautiful plants and sights. The reason I would use beautiful sights and plants was because “She gave him a polished smoothing – adze as well honed and then she led the way to the islands outer edge where trees grew tall, alders, black poplars and firs that shot sky – high,”.
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Post by eddieditolla on Sept 15, 2013 19:05:15 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla Mr. Thomas English 10 15 September 2013 ` The Odyssey Book 1 + Book 5 B. The most significant part of the book compared to the rest of the epic poem is when Calpyso holds Odysseus hostage. This has great significance to the book because if Calypso held Odysseus captive for the rest of his life there would be no actual story about The Odyssey. There would be no story about it because the book is mainly and mostly about the journeys of Odysseus to get home from Troy. Another part that has somewhat significance to the book is when they are having a meeting and Athena brings up Odysseus. “ Athena began recalling Odysseus to their thoughts, the goddess deeply moved by the man’s long ordeal, held captive still in the nymph Calypso’s house.” This quote has significance because if Athena didn’t bring Odysseus up at the meeting he could have stayed there for the rest of his life, and there too would be no story. E. In the Odyssey I think Calypso is a good character and a bad character. I think she is a bad character because she keeps Odysseus in a hostile way and she wants to marry him even though he is married. Calypso is a good character because when she keeps him hostile she gives him food and wine when he is getting ready for his trip home. She also gives him tools like and axe to cut down the timbers. “ Come take bronze tools, cut your lengthy timbers, make them into a broad- beamed raft and top it off with a half-deck high enough to sweep you free and clear on the misty seas. And I myself will stock her with food and water, ruddy wine to your taste- all to stave off hunger – give you clothing, send you a stiff gollowing wind so you can reach your native country all harmed.” ( Book 5 pg 157 lines 179 – 188) I also like how she says she will not interfere with his voyage to home. H. The scene I chose to be a set designer is when Hermes is flying into the Island . I am going ti make a scene of what the island looks like and where Calypso cave is and other things. Hermes is wearing a white gown with a gold belt and a gold helmet with wings on the side with some sort of weapon that gold. The island is going to look like a dense rainforest a little bit but not a rain forest, instead there will be tall timber trees close to the edge of the island where the sandy beaches with scattered group of rocks everywhere. Calypso is a young woman with a white gown and is short, with a head band on her head with blue eyes. Odysseus is in his forty’s with light gray hair and wearing some raggedy clothes.
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Post by kyleconnolly on Sept 15, 2013 20:22:32 GMT -5
I) This is in response to Nick's question "When I was reading the Odyssey this quote really confused me and I wanted to know what it means in relation to the story. The quote is 'Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy' The quote was confusing because I don’t know how this is related to the story of the Odyssey. Well to answer that question Odysseus was a very smart and sly man. In order to defeat the Trojans, they needed to invade the city, which has never been done before. In order to do this, Odysseus comes up with a plan to fake surrender to the Trojans by offering them an enormous horse (filled with hiding soldiers) as an apology gift. The Trojans bite, and the city of Troy was filled with Greek soldiers, thus winning the war. Also in the story, characters are going on a journey which is interfered with the Gods several times, in good and bad ways.
C)I was confused as to who Muse truly is. It says "Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy” (Book 1 Lines 1-3) and this is Odysseus because he was the man to come up with the plan to plunder the city of Troy when the Greeks invaded the city. The part that confused me the most was when it says "Launch out on his story, Muse, daughter of Zeus, start from where you will-sing for our time too." (Book 1 Lines 11-12) Here it says that Muse is the daughter of Zeus. Unless there is more than one Muse I'm still unsure about his true identity.
D) I was very interested in the first part of our reading, (Book 1, Lines 1-25) because of the stupidity of the Greeks and the consequences faced for such actions. The Greeks first received the wrath of the Sungod when they ate the cattle of the sun. But he could not save them from disaster, hard as he strove the recklessness of their own ways destroyed them all, the blind fools, they devoured the cattle of the Sun and the Sungod wiped from sight the day of their return." (Book 1 Lines 7-10) Next it talks about other consequences they faced when it says "By now, all the survivors, all who had avoided headlong death were safe at home, escaped the wars and waved." (Book 1 Lines 13-15) Here it talks about all the ways the ones were killed, through either wars or the wrath of the sea. Then it talks about another obstacle, though not through the Greeks stupidity. "But one man alone... his heart set on his wife and his return, Calypso the bewitching Nymph the lustrous goddess, held him back, deep in her arching caverns, craving him for a husband." Just as everything seems clear, he has survived every obstacle, he runs into one final one because of either his looks or his brains, something he cannot control. I thought this was funny because it not only held Odysseus back , but the rest of the survivors.
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Post by chrisnoble on Sept 15, 2013 21:03:23 GMT -5
A. When Odysseus is trapped in the caves of Calypso, this reminds me of when I was watching a TV show. Odysseus is trapped because Calypso wants to marry him and won’t let him free unless he does so. About a week ago, I was watching a TV show and a person was held captive because the kidnapper loved the person captured, but she was already married. “But one man alone…his heart set on his wife and his return – Calypso, the bewitching nymph, the lustrous goddess, held him back, deep in her arching caverns, craving him for a husband” (page 78, lines 15 – 18) D. In the beginning of Book 5, the reading says “As Dawn rose up from bed by her lordly mate Tithonus, bring light to immortal gods and mortal men, the gods sat down in council, circling Zeus the thunder king whose power rules the world” (page 152 lines 1 – 4). I liked this quote because it talks about a whole world that isn’t even real. It refers to Zeus who is the king of the gods who can strike something with lightning and immortal gods. Although this “world” isn’t real, it is complicated and realistic. G. If I was Hermes, I would have loved to go to Calypso’s cave because he saw great sights. The area around Calypso’s cave is described as having “thick, luxuriant woods that grew around the cave, alders and black poplars, pungent cypress too, and there birds roosted, folding their long wings, owls and hawks and the spread-beaked ravens of the sea, black skimmers who make their living off the waves” (page 154 lines 71 – 75). It would have been amazing to see that scenary that is so uncommon to most people.
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Post by alfredfrederic on Sept 15, 2013 22:56:39 GMT -5
B) Without this section the story wouldn’t have a plot line wouldn’t it? It helps start off the rest of the story of Odysseus trying to get home to his family. Book 5 is pretty much the beginning of the main story while books 1-4 are the back-story of how we ended up here. Every good story needs a beginning and book 5 is the start of Odysseus’ story. And its mood sounds bleak with a hint of hopelessness doesn’t it.
E) It seems that Odysseus has taken a lot. I mean he is shipwrecked and lost at sea. He lost his entire crew. And the only reason he is allowed to leave is destiny. He is forced to go out on a boat with so much uncertainty behind it. I wouldn’t go if I were him. Would you? It sounds like a bad idea from the start. And does Odysseus even want to go? He seems happy where he is! Is being forced to leave or is he going of his own free will?
I) NicholasLeong, Zeus is the leader of the gods in Greek mythology. He commands the other gods to do as he wishes. What he does is control the gods to make sure they are doing what is needed. That is why he seems like the tuff macho god. He has to use fear to keep the others in line. The leader needs help to get work done anywhere. It is understandable that he tells the others what to do! He’s their boss!
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Post by victorpasquin on Sept 16, 2013 6:13:43 GMT -5
C) Throughout the reading I was confused as to who Muse is. At one point it says, “Sing to me ofthe man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy.” (Book 1 Lines 1-3). In this quote, Muse is being identified as Odysseus because he came up with the plan to plunder Troy, which was where the Greeks had invaded. Also, I was confused when it says, “Launch out on his story, Muse, daughter of Zeus, start from where you will sing for our time too.” (Book 1 Lines 11-20) Muse is being described as the daughter of Zeus. Last time I checked, Muse was described as Odysseus.
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Out of the two readings, the first reading, (Book 1 Lines 1-25), was my favorite because of the Greeks stupid actions that caused them to face the consequences of what they had done. Their first action that caused them to be attacked was when they ate the cattle of the sun and the Sungod acted on them. It says, “ hard as he strove the recklessness of their own ways destroyed them all, the blind fools, they devoured the cattle of the Sun and the Sungod wiped from sight the day of their return.” (Book 1 LInes 7-10) If the Greeks had not eaten the cattle of the Sun, they wouldn’t have all been killed by the Sungod.
E) Throughout the readings in the Odyssey, I think Calypso is a good character, and at the same bad character. She is a good character she gives Odysseus food and wine so that he is prepared for his journey home. She gives him an axe and other tools so that he can cut down trees tomake them into a raft. It says, “Come take your bronze tools, cut your lengthy timbers, make them into a broad-beamed raft and top it off with a half-deck high enough to sweep you free and clear on the misty seas. And I myself will stock her with food and water, ruddy wine to your taste-all to stave off hunger- give you clothing, send you a stiff gollowing wind so you can reach your native country all harmed.”(Book 5 Lines 179-188) The only thing that I do not like about Calypso is that she held Odysseus hostile because she wants to marry him.
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Post by luissantana on Sept 16, 2013 21:23:22 GMT -5
C. Why is she a goddess named calypso? It said that she was a “lovely goddess” but I was unsure if this was true. Does the word Cyclops have to do with anything of her name? I thought it did until they said she sang lovely and called her lovely. Also why do they keep calling Hermes the killer of Argus? Is it wrong or not as common to just call him by his own name, Hermes? E. I thought that what Zeus did was not so smart. It says “his swift ship smashed by a blow from Zeus’ flaming lightning” why would Zeus send lightning down? Then he would get angry that she was not sending Odysseus off fast enough for Zeus. It seems to be dumb because why did Zeus send a bolt of lightning to his boat then try to get him back alive now. It was Zeus’ fault that Odysseus was sent to that island because Zeus sent down the lightning. F. It seems as if Calypso and Zeus don’t have a good relationship. This is because as soon as Hermes tells her that Zeus wanted Odysseus to go home she became angry. She then says that Zeus is Jealous that a goddess and a human had become partners. It seemed as if she always disliked Zeus for doing things like that.
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