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Post by Mr. Thomas on Feb 2, 2014 12:20:48 GMT -5
The finale
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Post by eddieditolla on Feb 3, 2014 14:08:09 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr. Thomas
English 10
3 February 2014
The Metamorphosis Chapter 3
B. I think that this chapter had the most significance of the book because it told us that the relationship between the family members is beginning to deteriorate especially between Grete and Gregor. “He must go,” cried Gregor’s sister, “that’s the only solution, Father. You must just try to get rid of the idea that this is Gregor. The fact that we’ve believed it for so long is the root of all our trouble.” This is a big part because Gregor being a vermin has finally got to Grete head and she is fused with anger. This chapter also tells us a major theme Isolation. This was a big theme in this chapter because the family became less worried about and did not care for him as much as they used to.
D. A set of lines I liked in this chapter were “But even if the sister, worn out by her job, ceased to tend to him as she used to, there was no need for the mother’s intervention or for Gregor to be all neglected.” I liked this set of lines because it explains to us that since Grete was working hard that now all of a sudden she does not have time to take care of Gregor.
F. The relationship that I am going to talk about is between Gregor and Grete and their parents. In the beginning the relationship between all of them were great and Grete was taking care of Gregor twice a day, but since when she went into the room once and she saw her mom cleaned it Grete got frustrated at her and they started to fight and the Dad had to break it up. This really was when they started to forget about him, when the three men came to their apartment they just threw everything in his room and because of forgetting about him Gregor died.
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Post by kyleconnolly on Feb 3, 2014 15:28:34 GMT -5
B) Not knowing Kafka’s work and stories very well, I was looking forward to a happier ending, where Gregor wakes up from a terrible nightmare to look and find himself perfectly human. I also would’ve liked to see Gregor’s family learn to cope with Gregor and live a happy life. This chapter is extremely important because Gregor finally is incapable of withstanding the guilt of the problems he is causing his family. Also, Grete has made her own metamorphosis, becoming from a girl to a woman, she is working at a job and understands just because Gregor’s her brother that he doesn’t belong with the family.
C) I was quite surprised at the fact that Gregor attacked the new cleaning lady who often spied on him. I understand he wants his privacy but doesn’t he finally mind some company? I would think that being in total isolation for lengthy periods of time must be driving him insane. I was also confused at Grete’s sudden change of heart. Sure it’s best for the family but doesn’t she still love him?
E) As I had seen coming, Gregor’s suicide was almost inevitable. I think that Gregor’s only hope for withstanding the guilt was the love and compassion shown by Grete in the earlier chapters. After Grete’s change of heart and feelings for her brother I knew it was all down the drain. No one is capable of suffering through the guilt of knowing everyday that you’re causing other peoples live to be miserable, let alone the lives of your loved ones.
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Post by chrisnoble on Feb 3, 2014 15:44:58 GMT -5
D. I liked the quote when the family sat down to write their letters: “They decided to spend that day resting and strolling; they not only deserved that pause from work, they absolutely needed it” (51). I liked this quote because it shows that the Samsa family truly was upset.
E. The way Gregor died was terrible. It seemed as if the author was giving hints that Gregor would die as he told wrote the story in a very detailed and calm way: “He recalled his family with affection and love. His opinion about the necessity for him to disappear was, if possible, even firmer than his sister’s. He remained in this state of vacant and peaceful contemplation until the tower clock struck the third morning our. He was still alive when the world started to become brighter outside the window. Then his head involuntarily sank down altogether, and his last breath issued faintly from his nostrils” (49). I don’t think Gregor did anything wrong to deserve this kind of death, as he didn’t have a great relationship with his family when he died.
I. I agree with Eddie’s comments about the relationship between Gregor and his family members. The relationship seems to have disappeared, as if Gregor isn’t even part of the family anymore. I think Gregor is more of a person in the house than a member of their family at this point. I think this is very upsetting since Gregor turned into a bug for no apparent reason, and is now looked at by his family as “an outsider.”
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Post by alfredfrederic on Feb 4, 2014 16:41:53 GMT -5
C) So when is this chapter taking place? Right after the attack or a few days afterwards? Has everyone moved on without Gregor? Are they still trying to compensate for his problem? Why was his father being so stubborn? Was it because of pride? Why was he staying up day and night? Was he just worried about how his family was to go on without him? Why was he starting to starve himself? Was it out of nervousness? Why was the tenant so annoyed by Gregor that he wanted to take legal action against his father? After everything that had happened, why did they decide to get rid of him? So Gregor dies due to lack of eating? Why does the story have such a downer ending?
G) If I were Gregor I would be extremely stress out because of this. My mother and sister are stressing out because of me and fighting so much that my father has to break it up. I would be suffering and just waiting for the end to come.
I) Eddie, time puts stress on people. Since this has been going on for years by what the text implies, they probably would’ve had enough of Gregor and stopped being as hopeful and helpful of him. I wouldn’t expect the same people to take care of the same person for too long because then it gets monotonous for the caregivers. They would start to argue about helping and would be happy when it ends. Like here Gregor dies and you can hear some relief in the text.
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Post by gonzaleza16 on Feb 4, 2014 21:39:08 GMT -5
Anthony Gonzalez
G. If I was Gregor I would have tried my best to leave the house and find somewhere else to go and like every once in a while come and visit them. I mean it would be hard to hide a bug like Gregor but it was worth a try and not just sit in my room and eventually die.
I. I also agree with chris on the way Gregor dies. I think that the way he died was the one of the worser ways because it showed the family bonds and showed how much the family really cared for him. I didnt think he would have died because of that but that he would have died of something else.
E. I was very surprised to see that Grete kind of gave up on Gregor and in a way forgot about him I was very disappointed in that and I thought that they had a better bond between each other. I also liked the way the new cleaning lady treated Gregor. She was better than Gregors mom and dad. She was like the closest friend like figure that Gregor had and also the only human contact he really had.
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Post by peterboustani on Feb 5, 2014 18:55:16 GMT -5
Peter Boustani
C. What was the point of the charwoman picking up the chair, somewhat threatening Gregor. At first when she is introduced and spoken about by Gregor, I thought she was going to be the one character to actually help Gregor somehow. I was also completely thrown off when Gregor’s parents kicked her out. It seemed out of no where.
D. I really did not like the end of this story. The author, Kafka, makes it very apparent that he does not like simple happy ending but rather bitter sweet ones, with them being significantly more bitter then sweet in the end. I felt like Gregor’s death was so depressing but not as depressing as it was frustrating. Despite finally at the end feeling some sort of confidence to do whatever he wanted without worrying about the repercussions, as seen when he goes out to see Grete play the violin. His death was sad but that’s not what made the entire story so depressing per-say. It was the frustration with every single character that I felt. It was such an odd story because there was not a main bad guy or even a goal to achieve but rather just the everyday life of a depressing man who was stuck as a bug. His father was an outrageous tool who despite minor changes at the end, did not change my opinion on him, his mother was extremely weak and even the one character that I was rooting for, Grete, even ended up becoming a hated character with her complete 180 degree turn to telling her parents that if the bug really was Gregor, it would have left already to spare the burden on the family. Aside from that and me ending up hating Gregor for his similar weakness, I thought the story was good or rather interesting but I did not like the way it ended at all.
I. I really liked Kyle’s point about how Grete was able to go through her own metamorphosis and change from a girl to a woman over the course of the story. Despite me not liking her personally as a character at the end of the story, I had to agree that this was true.
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Post by Thomas Laible on Feb 5, 2014 19:38:36 GMT -5
I am confused of what type of relationship Gregor and the new cleaning lady have. Gregor attacked her but why? I know she spied on him but doesn't he want some company. If I was isolated for a long period of time I would become very angry and want company from someone close to me. Also I feel that Grete's decision was the best for the family.
One part of the story I really enjoyed was when the family sat around the table writing the letters. "They decided to spend that day resting and strolling; they not only deserved that pause from work, they absolutely needed it” it shows how upset the family was because they needed a brake from work and how much they loved him.
If I was Gregor I would do what is best for this family and leave. This would be best because it would lay off the stress he has been giving to his family. I believe you do what's best for others and not yourself.
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Post by VonGarcia on Feb 6, 2014 0:00:04 GMT -5
C.) I'm very confused as to why the father always refuses to remove his uniform. Why won't he take it off and wash it since it has become filthy? Why would the father also restrict Grete from helping her brother? "Turning to his right, the father heaped reproaches on the mother that she was not to take over the cleaning of Gregor’s room from the sister and, turning to his left, he shouted at the sister that she would no longer be allowed to clean Gregor’s room ever again." Another question I have is that why was Grogor kind of entranced by the sound of her sister playing the violin? It led to him crawling put of his room and being spotted by the a boarder. Did Gregor commit suicide? Or did he die because of stress and hunger or some other causes? Did the family feel relieved that he's gone? Or did any of then grieve his death?
E.) I don't like how the father is making everything harder for himself. First of all, he could stay hygienic despite everything that has happened. He sounds like he's let go of his care for himself and doesn't even groom himself properly. Another part I don't like is how he stays up all night complaining of his life. What's the point of complaining? It's not helping at all. I also don't like how he's been treating Gregor. He treats him as if he's not his son at all. I like what Grete's been doing for her family. She's working hard and she's also the only one who seems to care for Gregor, and maybe also her mom.
I.) I agree with Kyle. Grete really did have her own metamorphosis and became a grown woman. Towards the end of the story the parent noticed she's grown.
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Post by victorpasquin on Feb 6, 2014 0:22:50 GMT -5
C) I was unsure of why Gregor assails the new maid. Even though he enjoys his privacy, wouldn't he welcome company sometime? I would think that being alone and not speaking or socializing with others would drive a person crazy and make them become bored with their life.
E) I had a feeling that Gregor would kill himself before the end of the book because if one thing had gone wrong he would collapse emotionally, mentally, and physically. Once Grete had her sudden turnaround to disliking Gregor, it was only a matter of time before he would commit this act. The guilt bore too much of a burden on Gregor, so much that he could no longer live with that guilt for the rest of his life.
F) In the beginning of the book, the relationship between the family members is ideal and great. As the story progresses, we see the relationship begin to deteriorate. Grete and her mother get into heated arguments, the family forgets about Gregor, and Grete completely changes her mind of sticking by Gregor's side and abandons him. All of this eventually leads to Gregor's suicide because of the guilt he has to deal with.
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Post by thomaslaible on Mar 8, 2014 18:08:24 GMT -5
I like the fact that Gregor ends his life for the family so they can be happy again. But I don't think that the family shouldn't have pushed him into doing. I would think that they would wait until he was dead to move on instead of pushing him to kill himself. “He must go,” cried Gregor’s sister, “that’s the only solution, Father. You must just try to get rid of the idea that this is Gregor. The fact that we’ve believed it for so long is the root of all our trouble.”
I like the lines "Lapsing into silence and communicating almost unconsciously with their eyes, they reflected that it was high time they found a decent husband for her. And it was like a confirmation of their new dreams and good intentions that at the end of their ride the daughter was the first to get up, stretching her young body." It shows what that they changed there disparity to hope. Also it shows how Grete has became more mature then she was before.
If I was the family I would become very happy. His death only brought peace to the family. I would want to make up all the happiness when Gregor Was a gigantic bug
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