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Eveline
Jan 24, 2014 14:52:15 GMT -5
Post by Mr. Thomas on Jan 24, 2014 14:52:15 GMT -5
Ireland: "It's a death trap, it's a suicide rap..."
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 14:27:14 GMT -5
Post by kyleconnolly on Jan 26, 2014 14:27:14 GMT -5
C) As Eveline is having flashbacks to the day before her mother passed away, she remembers that there was an organ player that had been told to go away. She also remembers her father cursing the organ player. “The organ player had been ordered to go away and given sixpence. She remembered her father strutting back into the sickroom saying: ‘Damned Italians! coming over here!’” (Joyce 27). Why was there an organ player? Was her mother surely to die where they had no hope? Why does the father get so aggravated with the organ player.
D) One quote that I liked was when Eveline talks about her father in a positive way. I especially liked this because she had been talking badly about her father the entire story. “Her father was becoming old lately, she noticed he would miss her. Sometimes he could be very nice. Not long before, when she had been laid up for a day, he had read her out a ghost story and made toast for her at the fire” (Joyce 27).
E) When Eveline starts having an emotional breakdown I was both shocked and confused. It almost felt like Eveline’s breakdown came out of nowhere, was she trying to escape her mothers death by leaving with Frank? It also says that Frank would give her life, but she wanted to live. I had a hard time understanding this quote and breakdown that happened. “She stood up in a sudden impulse of terror. Escape! She must escape! Frank would save her. He would give her life, perhaps love too. But she wanted to live” (Joyce 27).
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 17:31:41 GMT -5
Post by alfredfrederic on Jan 26, 2014 17:31:41 GMT -5
A) Today people worry about the future more than about the present. Eveline shows this trait in the beginning by talking about her home and her life along with what will happen to her in the future. Just like our society’s reaction to change. People will resist change and would panic if it were to suddenly occur. She grabbed the bars and refused to get on the ship is a shrunken version of the rejection of change most people would show. Our society hates change and would fight change and do whatever they could do to make sure the change would not happen.
E) Eveline’s text at the start of the story shows a very bad aspect of her, she isn’t thankful for what she had. The very fact that the story is built on ungratefulness is amazing; She shows her discontent for her current life and shows her want to have a new one. The basic plot is built on, she hates her life, and a sailor she met can change her life for the better in her eyes. Yet, in the end she doesn’t want to change and she rejects the change that was driving the plot. It is amazing that she did that refusal in the end.
G) The sailor must’ve been upset that the person he was going to take with him and marry refused to go with him in the first place. He must have tried to pry her off the bar so he could take her with him, I would be annoyed if that happened too.
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 18:06:27 GMT -5
Post by martinsteffens on Jan 26, 2014 18:06:27 GMT -5
First off, I like the Bruce Springsteen “Born to Run” quote at the top. C) One of the parts that I do not understand is why he goes into such detail. I get the point that he is trying to express what is happening but Joyce gets to the point where he is just dragging on and on. “She looked round the room, reviewing all its familiar objects which she had dusted ince a week for so many years, wondering where on earth all the dust came from. Perhaps she would never see again those familiar objectsfrom which she had never dreamed of being divided. And yet during all those years she had never found out the name of the priest whose yellowing photograph hung on the wall above the harmonium besides the colored print of the promises made to Blessed Margaret Mary Alacoque.” D) “But in her new home, in a distant unknown country it would not be like that. Then she would be married-she, Eveline. People would not treat her with respect then. She would not be treated as her mother had been.” I like this quote for a number of reasons. The first reason is that I can relate it to many of the stories that my family has told me about moving, whether it be to America or another Irish city. This reminded me of all of the stories. E) Even though not much was said about Frank, I feel that I can relate to him. Also, Eveline did not go with Frank so I feel bad for him. Joyce called him a good open hearted person. I feel that since Eveline did not go with him he could have been a more important character than what he was.
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 19:09:15 GMT -5
Post by chrisnoble on Jan 26, 2014 19:09:15 GMT -5
C. I don’t understand why Eveline would decide to stay, instead of going with Frank. I think it was a foolish decision that will bring her a lot of sadness. “No! No! No! It was impossible. Her hands clutched the iron in frenzy. Amid the seas she sent a cry of anguish!” (28). I believe she stayed because she wants to keep her promise with her mother, which brings her memories and a little happiness. Even though leaving would make Eveline feel upset since she didn’t keep the promise, it would be the best thing for her to do. I believe she would be happy with Frank in her “new life” with him. E. I did not life the fact that this story was very detailed. “She sat at the window watching the evening invade the avenue. Her head was leaned against the window curtains and in her nostrils was the odour of dusty cretonne. She was tired.” (24). Most of the time, the extra details were not needed. I didn’t like this because it can be confusing as a reader to read the story with all of the details. I. I agree with Alfred’s comments about people worrying about the future and not the present. In Eveline’s life, she was often sad and seemed depressed. Since she was often in this state, I don’t understand why she would decide to stay home. Eveline was worried about keeping her promise with her mother (future) and less worried about her present life with Frank.
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 19:14:03 GMT -5
Post by nicholasleong on Jan 26, 2014 19:14:03 GMT -5
Nicholas leong Mr.thomas English 10
Eveline A.I think that since Eveline had an sometimes abusive father, she can relate to many other kids. This can also have played a part in her decision not to marry Frank because maybe she reminded her of her father. I. I agree with kyle where he says “E) When Eveline starts having an emotional breakdown I was both shocked and confused. It almost felt like Eveline’s breakdown came out of nowhere, was she trying to escape her mothers death by leaving with Frank? It also says that Frank would give her life, but she wanted to live. I had a hard time understanding this quote and breakdown that happened. “She stood up in a sudden impulse of terror. Escape! She must escape! Frank would save her. He would give her life, perhaps love too. But she wanted to live” in that I also think her outburst was uncalled for. E. One thing that confused me was why Eveline did not go with Frank and why she had a sudden breakdown. I feel like she doesn’t know what she wanted in life especially because of her mothers death. However after reading it again I understood why she didn’t leave. She thought about her home and how happy she was when her brother was still there and I guess the thought of that made her stay.
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 19:29:05 GMT -5
Post by robertmaruca on Jan 26, 2014 19:29:05 GMT -5
Eveline
A. When Eveline doesn’t know what to do about her future it reminded me of when my aunt left her home in New York to start a new life with her husband in North Carolina. Although Eveline decides not to leave and my aunt does carry on with her plan of moving this story really brought me to this personal connection. I experienced losing my aunt to place that is so far away from “home”. It is a difficult decision to make I know that Eveline was probably just as nervous as my aunt. It’s tough leave your family behind and I really understand the pain Eveline must have been feeling in her decision making process.
B. There is a lot of significance in Eveline’s decision to stay in Ireland. Eveline has been going through a lot ever since her mother died. Eveline has to work multiple jobs and on top of that she needs to take care of her abusive and crazy father. She keeps her dad alive as her brother has moved on. Now that Eveline decided to stay her father still has somebody who can support him. Without Eveline the father would be forced to maintain the house and keep himself alive. Eveline could not betray her family who did so much for her. She made a promise to her mother and she knew she had keep it. Moving to a foreign land with your lover does sound nice but Eveline had other things influencing her critical decision.
E. I was shocked when I found out Eveline decided to stay in Ireland. She looked set to start a new life in Buenos Aires with her lover Frank. I did get some hints from when she was at the station that she ight decide to stay but I really thought she wanted to escape her overly mundane life.
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 19:54:20 GMT -5
Post by eddieditolla on Jan 26, 2014 19:54:20 GMT -5
D. Some lines I liked but were confusing from the story eveline were " No! No! No! It was impossible. hands clutched the iron in frenzy. Amid the seas she sent a cry of anguish! Eveline! Evvy! He rushed beyond the barrier and called to her to follow. He was shouted at to go on but he still called to her. She sat her white face to him, passive, like a helpless animal. Her eyes have him no signs of love or farewell or recognition." What the heck? Is eveline like her father now because she was emotionless. It seems weird how she acted after all that happened to her from her father. It seems like she is used to it and she actually wants to be used, or she doesn't see anything in herself.
C. After all of this why does eveline stay? She describes how terrible and awful her father and life is and she stays? "Frank would save her. He would give her life perhaps love, too. But she wanted to live. Why should she be unhappy? She had a right to happiness. Frank would take her in his arms, fold her in his arms. He would save her." Why wouldn't she go with him? She is so stupid.
B. " Her time was running out but she continued to sit by the window..." This quote reminds me of when I was playing my baseball playoff game and we were down by two runs with one inning left and we ended up winning the game by a walk off
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Eveline
Jan 26, 2014 20:06:19 GMT -5
Post by gonzaleza16 on Jan 26, 2014 20:06:19 GMT -5
Anthony Gonzalez
D. THe lines that I like the most are on page 27 "Her time was running out but she continued to sit by the window , leaning her head against the window curtain, inhaling the odour of dusty cretonne". I like those lines because it showed that Eveline knew and saw her mother dying and was observing her every move and noticed all the little details about what was going on with her mom. I. I also agree with Robert. I was also very shocked that she stayed in Ireland. If I was her I would have went with Frank. I know she made a promise with her mom but she could have started a family somewhere else and kept that family united and kept the family bonds together. E. I am a little curious on why the priest was even mentioned in the book and what big significance he really has and is very important or just has little importance and was just another detailed description on her childhood.
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Eveline
Jan 27, 2014 3:14:09 GMT -5
Post by victorpasquin on Jan 27, 2014 3:14:09 GMT -5
C) Throughout the story, I was confused as to why Joyce went into so much detail. I am aware that he wanted to give the reader a clear picture of what was happening but he was continuing to ramble on. “She looked round the room, reviewing all its familiar objects which she had dusted once a week for so many years, wondering where on earth all the dust came from. Perhaps she would never see again those familiar objects from which she had never dreamed of being divided. And yet during all those years she had never found out the name of the priest whose yellowing photograph hung on the wall above the harmonium besides the colored print of the promises made to Blessed Margaret Mary Alacoque.” Instead of just getting to the point of not being able to find the name of the priest, a lot of unnecessary information was told.
D) One excerpt that I enjoyed was when Eveline speaks very highly of her father.“Her father was becoming old lately, she noticed he would miss her. Sometimes he could be very nice. Not long before, when she had been laid up for a day, he had read her out a ghost story and made toast for her at the fire.” I feel that the typical father/ husband is overlooked in a family in today's world.
E) When Evelines world is collapsing, I became extremely confused and startled. “She stood up in a sudden impulse of terror. Escape! She must escape! Frank would save her. He would give her life, perhaps love too. But she wanted to live.” I am clueless as to what caused Eveline to become scared all of a sudden. In addition, it says that Frank will give her life but then Joyce writes that Eveline wants to live like she is expecting to die if Frank were to help her.
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Eveline
Jan 27, 2014 8:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by peterboustani on Jan 27, 2014 8:29:46 GMT -5
Peter Boustani C. This entire exert was sort of disjointed and confusing for me. I know it's a fault to myself as the reader but I struggle to read and comprehend things that are not directly pointed out to me so because this piece had hinted at so many themes or perhaps so many topics but never came out and said it through me off and made it difficult to understand for me personally. For example, when Eveline slightly hints at what I had assumed to be the slight hint that she was abused when she quoted her father saying "I'm not beating you for your mothers sake". I didn't understand if that was the narrator hunting this or not. D. Personally, due to the confusion I had felt while reading it, this was not my favorite thing we had read all year, possibly my least favorite. The reason I don't want to flat out say I hate it is because maybe when it's explained in class I will understand what it's after as I had with "The Things They Left Behind". Though I didn't understand much, one thing I really liked was the question of what I thought of Eveline's decision and what the writer of the piece thought for two reasons, one, the idea that despite the writer who, after being given back round about, we find out hated Ireland had a character with the perfect situation to leave decide that when the opportunity presented itself, was not taken advantage of. I. I agree with Kyle that I had similar confusion and especially in the section of the exert where Eveline says "Frank will give me life...but I want to live". I didn't know if I missed a metaphor but I didn't understand what she meant, what she was running from and what made her change her mind.
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Eveline
Jan 27, 2014 19:26:12 GMT -5
Post by VonGarcia on Jan 27, 2014 19:26:12 GMT -5
C.) Why did her father treat her poorly compared how he treated her two brothers since she was a girl? Another question I have is, what did her mother suffer that eventually led to her death? Towards the end of the story, she said no to the idea of leaving. She seemed positively sure about her decision of leaving and living with Frank, but why the sudden change? She deserves the right to happiness and I’m pretty sure she seemed like she had enough of the suffering. And also it seemed like she really like Frank. Another question I have is in page 27 towards the end of the page there was the scene where she remembered her mother and her last days. There was the line “Derevaun Seraun! Derevaun Seraun!” what does that mean? Is that a name or something?
E.) I didn’t like the way her father treated her poorly just because she was a girl. He didn’t treat his two sons like this. He was a true father to his two sons and was a terrible father to her daughter. My reaction to Eveline changing her mind on the last second was surprising. She talked about how she was sick of being treated poorly and that she has every right to happiness. She also seemed like she was really in love with Frank.
F.) The relationship between Eveline and her father is just terrible. She didn’t even feel like he was a father to her, but she noticed that he was a father to her brothers, which makes it even worse.
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