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Post by Mr. Thomas on Nov 21, 2013 13:24:09 GMT -5
"Slaughter in the Hall"
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Post by colinh98 on Nov 21, 2013 20:11:10 GMT -5
Book 22 DB Post
1) B) So this is probably the most important part of the Odyssey, it is literally the final battle we have been waiting for. This is the climax of the epic poem and gives Odysseus a chance to cut down (No pun intended) the suitors that have been poisoning his halls. It changes the mood from being a little sluggish to a very intense battle between Odysseus and the suitors. It goes from shock to battleground in about 5 seconds. This section adds to the development of Eumeaus’ character. He turns into a warrior of death, who saw it coming?
2) C) Why did none of the suitors freak out when Odysseus first killed Antinous? He got an arrow through the throat and nobody even suspects that this old man is some kind of beast? They saw him fight before, how did they not realize “Oh this guy is scary. We should run.”? Why would they try and calm down Odysseus? He has just killed one of the main suitors, and you are desecrating his halls, why are you not peeing yourselves? How did they (Suitors) all (There were more than fifty) miss with spears? There were four people to hit and you can’t land a freaking hit on a foot or an arm? The suitors are also supposed to be these ‘worthy’ men, but what happened when Odysseus and co. start to fight?
3) E) I felt it was right to hang the suitors’ corpses rather than to just cut them down, they had been disrespectful towards Odysseus and they needed to be in trouble for that. Though they were not suitors they still allowed for it to happen.
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Post by nicholasleong on Nov 22, 2013 9:23:39 GMT -5
Nicholas Leong
Mr. Thomas
English 10
11/22/13
Discussion board
I. Responding to what Collin said about book 22 in where he said: “Why did none of the suitors freak out when Odysseus first killed Antinous? He got an arrow through the throat and nobody even suspects that this old man is some kind of beast? They saw him fight before, how did they not realize “Oh this guy is scary. We should run.”? Why would they try and calm down Odysseus? He has just killed one of the main suitors, and you are desecrating his halls, why are you not peeing yourselves? How did they (Suitors) all (There were more than fifty) miss with spears? There were four people to hit and you can’t land a freaking hit on a foot or an arm? The suitors are also supposed to be these ‘worthy’ men, but what happened when Odysseus and co. start to fight?” None of them freaked out because they thought that it was done by accident because this was when Odysseus was still disguised as the beggar and nobody paid attention because it didn’t seem that important to them.
B. This book was very important to the plot because this was the final battle. It was what we were all waiting for or at least I was waiting for this whole time. This was what all of the book was leading up too and I was not shocked about how amused/ amazed I was while reading this.
E. I was very shocked at the beginning of the book for two reasons. One reason was because of how Athena wanted to test Odysseus before joining the battle. I get that testing was kind of the theme of the book but why test him if you (Athena) already know what to expect of Odysseus? Another reason why I was shocked was how smart Odysseus was killing the suitor he hated the most. He played it off like it was an accident and I thought that it was Genius.
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Post by kyleconnolly on Nov 22, 2013 20:44:50 GMT -5
B) Finally, the moment we've all been waiting for, Odysseus finally gets to take out his anger on the suitors after twenty years of them mooching off of him and his wife. This could be considered the resolution of the book, for it is all over for Odysseus now. This chapter was really full of blood, pain, and vengeance and it was by far the most descriptive part of the book. I really liked the description of the people dying, it gave me an insight to what it might've actually looked like, making the image all the more powerful. C) How could the suitors be so stupid to think that Odysseus shooting Antinous perfectly right through his throat possibly be an accident? The entire chapter before was based upon the fact that none of the suitors were capable of shooting the bow and only Odysseus was able to do so. This means that the bow must've been incredibly hard to shoot and for someone to randomly shoot an arrow is absurd. I can understand accidentally pulling a trigger on a gun but why would someone even bother putting an arrow on an already pulled back-ready to fire-bow? I) colinh98 The suitors being the idiots they are, pulled off the greatest act of stupidity that I have ever witnessed. The thought that the beggar (Odysseus) accidentally shot Antinous with the bow, claiming that a bow, which none of them were able to shoot, was shot on accident. Somehow none of them realized that Odysseus shot Antinous with the bow straight through his neck from a distance, which doesn't sound like an accident to me. Lots of times you hear about accidents where someone was shot in the foot, hand, or other non-fatal area but in the neck? Doesn't seem very accidental to me. |
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Post by eddieditolla on Nov 23, 2013 18:47:43 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr. Thomas
English 10
22 November 2013
The Odyssey Book 22
B. The reading in relation to the rest of the Odyssey is the most important book. This is the most important book because Odysseus gets retaliation against the suitors that have been living at his home for many years try to marry his wife. It also changes on how the book feels from being dragging out each book to live action and battle, and blood shed through the halls and most imaginative part of the book. As Kyle said and I agree with him that I too liked the description of the people dying, it gave me an perception on what it could look like. If this part wasn’t in the book there would be no point of the other books when Odysseus is making a plan to kill them. Then it would just end and you wouldn’t know what happened.
D Some lines I liked in Book 22 were “At last the seasoned fighter turned to his son: Telemachus, go, call the old nurse here – I must tell her all that’s on my mind.” Pg. 451 lines 415 – 417. I liked this set of lines because Odysseus is ordering his son to hang the suitors’ corpse. Another set of lines I liked were “Where’s it gone, Odysseus – your power, your fighting heart? The soldier who fought for famous whit-armed Helen, battling Trojans nine long years – nonstop, no mercy mowing their armies down in grueling battle – you who seized the broad streets of Troy with your fine strategic stroke” Pg. 446 lines 436 – 441. I liked these lines because here Athena is provoking Odysseus to get made.
I. I agree with Kyle and Colin because I too believe The suitors being the idiots they are, pulled off the greatest act of stupidity that I have ever witnessed. The thought that the beggar (Odysseus) accidentally shot Antinous with the bow, claiming that a bow, which none of them were able to shoot, was shot on accident. Somehow none of them realized that Odysseus shot Antinous with the bow straight through his neck from a distance, which doesn't sound like an accident to me. Lots of times you hear about accidents where someone was shot in the foot, hand, or other non-fatal area but in the neck? Doesn't seem very accidental to me.
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Post by jcktffy on Nov 24, 2013 9:21:49 GMT -5
Book 22- DB
This is basically what half of the book has been leading up to and it was a pleasure to finally read it. Odysseus and Telamachus finally take charge and get rod of the suitors. I really enjoyed how Odysseus gets going and kills Anitous and how all the other suitors thought it was a missed shot. Than he starts his killing. This chapter really tied the whole book together.
Although not entirely that important I don't recall Zeus being helpful during the battle. He said that he would and gave signs but maybe he was just looking down on e battle and if he need help Zeus would give Odysseys assistance.
I really agree and like what Kyle said " Finally, the moment we've all been waiting for, Odysseus finally gets to take out his anger on the suitors after twenty years of them mooching off of him and his wife. This could be considered the resolution of the book, for it is all over for Odysseus now. This chapter was really full of blood, pain, and vengeance and it was by far the most descriptive part of the book. I really liked the description of the people dying, it gave me an insight to what it might've actually looked like, making the image all the more powerful." I feel the same way about the chapter and it did give me a more descriptive look in the book.
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Post by chrisnoble on Nov 24, 2013 12:20:29 GMT -5
D. I liked the quote when Odysseus shot Antinous with the arrow: “But Odysseus aimed and shot Antinous square in the throat and the point went stabbing clean through the soft neck and out-and off to the side he pitched, the cup dropped from his grasp as the shaft sank home, and the man’s life-blood came spurting from his nostrils” (page 440 lines 15-19). I liked this quote because Odysseus was finally able to get rid of Antinous. Antinous was the most evil of the suitors and was their leader. Antinous caused so much trouble for other people, but nobody had to worry about him anymore.
E. When Phemius, the last suitor, hugs Odysseus’ knees, I was not surprised at all. “Then rushed up to Odysseus, yes, and clutched his knees singing out to his king with a stirring, winged prayer; ‘I hug your knees, Odysseus-mercy! spare my life!” (page 450 lines 360-362) I wasn’t surprised by this because Phemius obviously didn’t want to die and he didn’t want what happened to the suitors to be done to him.
G. If I was Odysseus when he shot Antinous in the throat with the arrow, I would be terrified because of the way the other suitors might react. The suitors get mad when this first happened: “The suitors burst into uproar all throughout the house when they saw their leader down” (page 440 lines 22-23). If I was Odysseus I would try to get as far away from the suitors as possible because there are so many of them. The number of people on Odysseus’ side doesn’t even compare to the number of suitors.
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Post by robertmaruca on Nov 24, 2013 13:37:46 GMT -5
The Odyssey Chapter 22
B. I think this book is the most significant in the whole Odyssey. It is so important because Odysseus finally reveals himself to the suitors and then kills them. This is what everyone has waited for. After many books went by Odysseus kept his identity hidden and to be honest the book s were pretty boring. The whole novel has just heated up after such a heated scene. I think it was about time for the suitors to die after they kept disregarding and insulting Odysseus. I also think this book is significant because it shows how quickly the other characters have changed once Odysseus met them.
E. I thought it was funny when Eurymachus tried to persuade Odysseus not to kill them. Eurymachus also said the Antinous was the only bad suitor. It is funny because after seeing Antinous die, Eurymachus now tries to get on the good side of Odysseus after he constantly looked to pick a fight with him. Odysseus doesn’t fall for this trick and decides not to spare the life of Eurymachus. I think Odysseus made the right decision to kill the suitors and then hang their corpses because Odysseus was mistreated by the suitors and it was about time to teach them a lesson.
G. If I were Odysseus I would be so happy. He finally got rid of people who were trying to steal his wife and kill his son. Now Odysseus can relax and resume his normal life in Ithaca. After so much waiting and planning to kill the suitors Odysseus is probably relieved as well. I also think Odysseus has become a better person and can show his family how much he changed after all his crazy experiences.
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Post by Thomas Laible on Nov 24, 2013 19:39:39 GMT -5
I liked the quote when Odysseus shot Antinous with the arrow: “But Odysseus aimed and shot Antinous square in the throat and the point went stabbing clean through the soft neck and out-and off to the side he pitched, the cup dropped from his grasp as the shaft sank home, and the man’s life-blood came spurting from his nostrils” (page 440 lines 15-19). I liked this quote because Odysseus was finally able to get rid of Antinous. Antinous was the most evil of the suitors and was their leader.
I agree with Colin because I too believe The suitors being the idiots they are, pulled off the greatest act of stupidity that I have ever witnessed. The thought that the beggar (Odysseus) accidentally shot Antinous with the bow, claiming that a bow, which none of them were able to shoot, was shot on accident. Somehow none of them realized that Odysseus shot Antinous with the bow straight through his neck from a distance, which doesn't sound like an accident to me.
How could the suitors be so stupid to think that Odysseus shooting Antinous perfectly right through his throat possibly be an accident? I can understand accidentally pulling a trigger on a gun but why would someone even bother putting an arrow on an already pulled back-ready to fire-bow?
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Post by alfredfrederic on Nov 24, 2013 22:27:30 GMT -5
C) Why does Antinous get the most peaceful death out of all the suitors? Why does Eurymachus try to calm Odysseus down? Then attack him when it doesn’t work? Why does Telemachus spare two suitors from death? Were they the most innocent of all of them? Why did Melanthius get the most gruesome death? Was it because of how he treated Odysseus earlier?
E) Finally, the suitors got what was coming to them. Out of all the suitors, Melanthius got the most gruesome of executions, as the book put it, “They hauled him out through the doorway, into the court, lopped his nose and ears with a ruthless knife, tore his genitals out for the dogs to eat raw and in manic fury hacked off hands and feet.” (Lines 501-504) That jerk got what he deserved, as well as the suitors. The suitors earned their deaths, especially Antinous, Eurymachus and Melanthius. It was the most gruesome and action-packed part of the book o far.
F) To make the set after the slaughter, and before the execution of the maids, I would use blood to decorate the walls, have overturned tables covered in blood and have bodies on the ground, some leaking blood, others with armor and weapons on. For Odysseus and Telemachus’ costumes, I would use bronze armor covered in blood, and them holding their weapons, spears, swords, and shields. Odysseus and Telemachus will stand at the front of the room near the doors and will be looking over the damage that had occurred from the slaughter. It will be a very gruesome scene.
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Post by VonGarcia on Nov 24, 2013 23:58:22 GMT -5
E.) “But Odysseus aimed and shot Antinous square in the throat and the poimt went stabbing clean through the soft neck and out – and off to the side he pitched, the cup dropped from his grasp as the shaft sank home, and the man’s life-blood came spurting from his nostrils.” (Page 440 line 15) Finally! I have been waiting for this exact moment. Antinous has been one of the most annoying of the suitors. I’m glad he’s been dealt with. I also love how he was the first one! I also like the scene where C.) Why did Odysseus not accept Eurymachus’s offer? It seemed like he was sincere and he meant what he promised. It would also have been more civilized. There would’ve been no bloodshed happening in the halls. Also, why did they let the suitors get a chance to arm themselves with weapons? And why didn’t they hide them so that the suitors would have no weapons and they will? I’m also confused as to why Odysseus needed to show off before he gets any help from Athena. Why couldn’t she just help him from the start? Why did he need to kill a few before he “earns” her help? I also don’t know why he refused several times when asked to change from his bloody clothes. I.) I agree with robertmaruca. I think Odysseus should be very satisfied with the outcome. He won the battle and he recovered his wife and saved his son’s life. His palace is now safe from the suitors that attempted to steal it. All the people left in the palace are all loyal to Odysseus. |
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Post by peterboustani on Nov 25, 2013 0:46:51 GMT -5
Peter Boustani
C. Even though it did not have any real repercussions besides perhaps a few superficial wounds to Odysseus and Telemachus, how could Telemachus be so stupid to have left the door open for Melanthius. The entire plan was to put all of the weapons there so that no one had access so the one main job I would have expected from the man who was getting the weaponry, for only two other men, is to shut the door on your way out. I think I especially am so confused as it wasn’t even used as a plot tool as Melanthius gets caught, tortured and killed and there was no repercussions for Odysseus’ side, thus I found this part to be just an unnecessary detail but none the less it did not take away from an awesome book of the Odyssey just simple added some unnecessary filler.
D. Finally! The suitors are dead! This was simply put, the greatest part of the Odyssey and there isn’t much more to say other than it was awesome and I was so happy to see this as finally avoiding all of the nonsense that was used building up to this moment finally happening. It was very satisfying.
I. I don’t agree with what everyone was saying about how it was almost unrealistic and a plot hole as none of the suitors had any reaction to Antinous being shot by the arrow. I think if you put yourself in the shoes of the suitors for this point in the book you would see how mind-blowing and mesmerizing this arrow shot from a homeless beggar was, and honestly, as someone who tends to have things fly over his head, I think I might have been so shocked at the entire situation that even if I saw when Antinous got shot as many of the suitors must have seen, my brain wouldn’t even begin to know how to react with all of this crazy information it was receiving, thus I don’t feel that the fact that all of the suitors overlooking his death was completely impossible.
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Post by victorpasquin on Nov 25, 2013 0:52:27 GMT -5
B) It's about time! We finally see Odysseus attack the suitors after twenty years of living in his home and with Penelope. This is by far the most action-packed and bloody book in the Odyssey. It was also the most descriptive book and it almost gave you an insight to the scene and what was happening, almost like it was right in front of you.
C) How is it possible that the suitors were stupid enough to think that Odysseus accidentally shot Antinous? He shot him directly through his throat, how could that be accidental? If an arrow hadn't been aimed directly at Antinous, then how did it perfectly hit Antinous in such a small window, his neck?
E) I found it amusing when Eurymachus was pleading with Odysseus, trying not to convince him to kill them. After seeing Antinous die, Eurymachus gets scared and begs for his life. He also tries to convince that Antinous was evil and he wasn't even though he was extremely cruel to Odysseus.
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