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Post by Mr. Thomas on Nov 18, 2013 7:57:20 GMT -5
Odysseus Strings His Bow
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Post by alfredfrederic on Nov 18, 2013 21:28:34 GMT -5
B) Now this chapter is readying us for the next chapter. I can see a slaughter coming soon. Why are the suitors still against Odysseus? Is it because he’s a guest, they think he’s after Penelope too? It seems Odysseus is about to end the suitors and makes me want to see what comes next.
C) Why are the suitors doubting Odysseus? Are they worried that he is an actual threat? Why are they impolite and say he can’t use the bow? Why did Penelope stand up for Odysseus? What was the point of Odysseus locking both the outer gates and the front door? Why did he order the women to hide in their rooms? Wasn’t he going to punish the maids? Is he going to now attack the suitors with his bow? IS Odysseus trying to show off when he beats the suitors at Penelope’s contest? Or is he just being himself and showing his skill.
E) Why did Penelope give the suitors a contest to win her hand? Was she so confident that they would fail that they would leave her home once and for all? Is she becoming desperate to get rid of the suitors? Was the point of the contest to embarrass the suitors to the point of them leaving? Why did she stand up for Odysseus, even with the risk of him succeeding? So far it seems this idea was a bad one. So many risks taken without proper guidance, although now I’m wondering what comes next.
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Post by chrisnoble on Nov 19, 2013 16:57:33 GMT -5
C. Why does Athena always have to help someone do something? Again, she helped Penelope: “The time had come. The goddess Athena with her blazing eyes inspired Penelope, Icarius’ daughter, wary, poised, to set the bow and the gleaming iron axes out before her suitors waiting in Odysseus’ hall-to test their skill and bring their slaughter on” (page 424 lines 1-5). I want to see a major seen in the book where Athena doesn’t help a character get through it. Athena has helped Odysseus a number of times, like when he was almost killed by Poseidon in the beginning of the book. D. I liked the part of the book when Odysseus proves all the suitors wrong: “he let fly-and never missing an ax from the first ax-handle clean on through to the last and out the shaft with its weighted brazen head shot free” (page 438 lines 468-471). I liked this quote because Odysseus completely shuts up the suitors. The suitors have disrespected Odysseus so much and now Odysseus makes them all look like fools. E. I was surprised by a line said by Eurymachus when he couldn’t bend the string of the bow: “What breaks my heart is the fact we fall short of great Odysseus’ strength we cannot string this bow” (page 432 lines 283-284). I was surprised because I didn’t expect one of the suitors to say something like this. All of the suitors are trying to impress Penelope, so why would you complement her wife? I just seems foolish to say this about Odysseus.
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Post by robertmaruca on Nov 19, 2013 18:22:47 GMT -5
The Odyssey Chapter 21
B. I think this chapter is very significant to the book. I have a feeling that the suitors are starting to realize the beggar (Odysseus) is in disguise. When Odysseus shoots the bow through all twelve axes in one try the suitors start to feel some suspicion. There is even some evidence that the suitors think Odysseus is more than a beggar when they try to prevent him from getting a go at the bow shooting. I think Odysseus is starting to give himself up a bit even though he is not telling to their faces.
C. Why did Odysseus give himself up to Eumaeus and Philoetius? For so long Odysseus has kept his identity a secret even to his allies. What made now the time to reveal his identity? I would like the reason because there were some pretty good opportunities to do so prior to know.
E. I think Odysseus made a bad decision to participate in the bow shooting at the end of the chapter. The suitors know that even if the beggar does win he won’t marry Penelope because this activity was designed specifically for the potential suitors. I think the decision was a bad one because Odysseus kind of gives himself up one by one when he hits all the axes down in one try. I think by doing this the suitors will start to realize who this beggar is even though he is in disguise. Ultimately if the suitors find out who this beggar is, they will have enough time to try and stop Odysseus murder plan.
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Post by eddieditolla on Nov 19, 2013 19:27:45 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla Mr. Thomas English 10 11/19/13 The Odyssey Book 21 C. In Book 21 and other books since Athena is the goddess of wisdom why does she always have to help someone to do something? “The time had come. The goddess Athena with her blazing eyes inspired Penelope, Icaruis’ daughter, wary, poised, to set the bow and the gleaming iron axes out before her suitors waiting in Odysseus’ hall – to test their skill and bring their slaughter on.” (Book 21 lines 1-5) In this set of lines it shows Athena helping Penelope, but, it is also telling us that she is getting ready to go to battle in Odysseus’ house and hall where the suitors are. Even though there were times where Odysseus needed help and Athena helped him she didn’t have to be everywhere helping him. D. The two sets of lines I liked in Book 21 was “he would have strung the bow, but Odysseus shook his head and stopped him short despite his tensing zeal. God help me, the inspired prince cried out” Book 21 lines 147 – 149. I liked these lines because it shows that Odysseus is struggling and once he stopped his short despite he was influenced by Athena to cry out what he said after. Another set of lines of lines I liked were “Horror swept through the suitors, faces, blanching white, and Zeus cracked the sky with a bolt, his blazing sign, and the great man who had borne so much rejoiced at last that the son of cunning Cronus flung that omen down for him. He snatched a winged arrow lying bare on the board – the rest still bristled deep inside the quiver, soon to be tasted by all the feasters there” Book 21 lines 459 – 465. I liked these lines because when Zeus sent an omen down to him, the him is for Telemachus and that something is good is going to happen and also and more importantly, in the lines before and after that set it tells me that Telemachus has almost finally become a man. I. I agree with Chris Noble because I too was surprised by a line said by Eurymachus when he couldn’t bend the string of the bow: “What breaks my heart is the fact we fall short of great Odysseus’ strength we cannot string this bow” (page 432 lines 283-284).
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Post by nicholasleong on Nov 19, 2013 21:25:17 GMT -5
Nicholas Leong
Mr. Thomas
English 10
11/19/20
Discussion board
B.I think that in the general story of the Odyssey, testing people is a common theme amongst the characters. Odysseus is a big reason why I think that testing or mistrust is a big/common theme in the Odyssey in general. I. Responding to Robert Maruca where he says “I think Odysseus made a bad decision to participate in the bow shooting at the end of the chapter. The suitors know that even if the beggar does win he won’t marry Penelope because this activity was designed specifically for the potential suitors. I think the decision was a bad one because Odysseus kind of gives himself up one by one when he hits all the axes down in one try. I think by doing this the suitors will start to realize who this beggar is even though he is in disguise. Ultimately if the suitors find out who this beggar is, they will have enough time to try and stop Odysseus murder plan.” I don’t agree with him because Odysseus knew this was time to fight and reveal himself and fight the suitors. E. I think that Odysseus was smart to take out one of the Antionous playing it off as an accident. Another reason why Odysseus was smart was to get back up and have them lock the door so the Suitors couldn’t escape Odysseus’s wrath
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Post by kyleconnolly on Nov 19, 2013 21:50:27 GMT -5
B) After this chapter the sense of a blood shedding conclusion is coming about. Odysseus has had just about enough with the suitors and is ready to brutally murder each and every one of them. Odysseus even reveals himself and I personally think that it's out of impatience. He had participated in an archery contest amongst the shooters and did so well that I think he wanted to send a message to them that they should get the hell out of Ithaca. D) Speaking of Odysseus taking place in the archery contest held by Penelope for the suitors, I especially liked how the suitors didn't even want the beggar (Odysseus) to shoot in the first place, either because he was a beggar or they thought that he couldn't compete. This has happened in the book a different time when Odysseus was on an island where people doubted him and he showed them up. I really thought it was extra-funny because I was able to imagine Odysseus as a really old grandpa who looks like he could barely stand coming up and showing up a bunch of cocky suitors. I also imagined the stunned faces on each and every single one of the suitors as the beggar walked away after shooting through the twelve axes. I) chrisnoble I think that Athena has really taken it upon herself to help Odysseus complete his journey of coming home and returning to his family. By helping out Penelope, she is helping out Odysseus and if Athena didn't help Odysseus, all she did was help him get home, but not return to the comfort of his wife. I think that Athena really wants to complete her and Odysseus' mission in order for it to be successful
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