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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 28, 2013 10:19:02 GMT -5
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Post by chrisnoble on Oct 28, 2013 17:26:41 GMT -5
D. I like the way that Telemachus wants to treat Odysseus before he knows who he really is. “But our new guest, since he’s arrived at your house, I’ll give him a shirt and cloak to wear, good clothing, give him a two-edged sword and sandals for his feet and send him off, wherever his heart desires” (page 341 lines 87-90). “But I can’t let him go down and join the suitors. They’re far too abusive, reckless, know no limits: they’ll make a mockery of him-that would break my heart” (page 341 lines 95-97). This quote shows that Telemachus is a helpful and kind man toward other people. Even though Telemachus doesn’t know who Odysseus was at the time, he is still willing to do so much and go out of his way for Odysseus even when he has problems of his own.
E. I feel bad for Penelope. She has been waiting so long for Odysseus’s return, but he just has come home yet. She is influenced immensely by the suitors, but she still continues to wait for Odysseus. “she’s still waiting there in your halls, poor woman, suffering so, her life an endless hardship…wasting away the nights, weeping all those days” (page 339 lines 41-44).
G. If I was Odysseus when Telemachus is talking about him, I would feel upset and ashamed. Telemachus says: “Arcesius had only one son, Laertes, and Laertes had only one son, Odysseus, and I am Odysseus’ only son. He fathered me, he left me behind at home, and from me he got no joy” (page 342 lines 132-135). As a father, that must feel terrible to hear from your own son. Having your son talk about you in a negative way must feel terrible, and most fathers would be upset with themselves for what they have done.
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Post by martinsteffens on Oct 28, 2013 17:44:20 GMT -5
Martin Steffens
Mr. Thomas
English 10
October 28, 2013
Book 16
D) I really enjoyed these next lines. I did because Telemachus had no idea that he was talking to his father because Odysseus, still, is disguised as the old man or beggar.
“’ Have it your way,’ thoughtful Telemachus replied ‘Dear old man, it’s all for you that I’ve come, to see you for myself and learn the news-whether mother still holds out in the halls or some other man has married her at last and Odysseus’ bed I suppose, is lying empty, blanketed now with filthy cobwebs.”
C) I am very confused and impressed with Odysseus. Why wouldn’t Odysseus jump up at his son? He has not seen him for 20 years. He could scream at Athena to change him back to the original Odysseus. Also, why would Odysseus take the way Telemachus talked to him because to me, it came off as very rude?
F) If I was another actor watching this scene from the stage I would be able to feel the love of Telemachus from Odysseus. Odysseus has been gone so long just to come home without his son there. Now, when Telemachus returns to Ithaca, Odysseus is overjoyed but he cannot really show it because he is in a disguise. I would feel bad for the character even though I know it is just a role in the story.
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Post by ryan on Oct 28, 2013 18:01:00 GMT -5
D. I felt the reading was a little flat compared to the other readings, but I did find one line in particular enjoying to read. After Odysseus gave his opinion on the matter of Telemachus not attempting to save his own house from the "courting" that is going on, Telemachus goes on to say on line 135, "He fathered me, he left me behind at home, and from me he got no joy". This line amuses me because I can imagine that Odysseus is dying on the inside because he has worked so hard to get home to his family only to find out that his son believes his father had abandoned him and sees Telemachus as a failure.
E. One character that has seemed to have grown a lot is Telemachus. Whether this is from Athena sending him too on a long tiring course where he has to endure much or from the affects of time and simply growing older and more experienced, Telemachus seems to have matured quite a bit. He seems very humble, especially in the first seen that we see him walk through the door to greet Eumaeus and the "stranger" (also known as Odysseus). The "stranger" went to get up to give his seat but Telemachus was very humble and grabbed his own chair not wishing for the "royal experience". Telemachus also showed that he is quite smart by sending Eumaeus out to deliver the message of his arrival to Penelope so as to not get seen by the suitors and risk a harsh death. Telemachus, however, still shows a hint of cowardliness to him by being too afraid to help out his mother and take charge as the rightful ruler for the time being.
H. If I were a set designer I could imagine that when Telemachus stepped into the swineherd's humble cabin a rush of god-like light would fill a very dark room maybe lit by a couple candles. Telemachus would be wearing a long hooded robe so to not get recognized by the suitors or anyone else harmful. Inside the tavern there would be the rich smell of pig meat noticeably masking the staleness of the grime and hay and animal particles and whatnot. Everything would be contained in one small room with a bed in the corner made of a makeshift of assortments, a table next to it with several boxes to sit on for eating, and a pot of stew next to it.
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Post by kyleconnolly on Oct 28, 2013 19:09:07 GMT -5
C)One thing I wasn't sure about was as to why Athena didn't transform Odysseus into how he originally looked, instead of making him look younger, taller etc. Also, why would she transform Odysseus while Telemachus was watching? Does she not expect him to believe that the man who appears to be his father isn't really him, that he was just cast under a spell to look that way? "First, she made the cloak and shirt on his body fresh and clean, then made him taller, supple, young, his ruddy tan came back, the cut of his jawline firmed and the dark beard clustered back around his chin." (Book 16 Lines 195-198) F) One thing I noticed about Telemachus and Eumaeus is that they treat each other like family, which is especially ironic considering Odysseus, Telemachus' actual father is witnessing it happen right in front of him. "As a father, brimming with love, welcomes home his darling only son in a warm embrace what pain he's borne for him and him alone! home now, in the tenth year from far abroad." (Book 16 Lines 19-25) I) martinsteffens I believe that Odysseus knew that he had to control himself before jumping at Telemachus because Telemachus doesn't recognize him, and it would be extremely awkward for a stranger to jump at Telemachus. Odysseus wanted to wait until he could prove he was truly Odysseus, and that is also why he tolerated Telemachus' rude behavior, for he knew he could not retaliate without facing an awkward situation. |
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Post by alfredfrederic on Oct 28, 2013 19:09:44 GMT -5
C) Why did Athena change Odysseus’ look at the last second? Why was Telemachus so surprised to see his dad after so long? Did he already lose all hope of seeing him again? Why did the suitors decide to plan to kill Telemachus? What did Amphinomus say to Penelope, “Friends, I’ve no desire o kill Telemachus, not I- it’s a terrible thing to shed the blood of kings.”? (Lines 445-446) Was he trying to get her guard down? Are they still planning on killing Telemachus or not? Are they trying to make themselves seem not as bad as they really are? Is Telemachus happy that Odysseus came home? Is he getting him ready?
E) Finally Odysseus reveals himself to be who he is! After so long he finally reveals to the swineherd and Telemachus his true form! We were waiting for that moment for so long! And now we get the part we wanted. I cannot wait for what’s coming next. Lets see what happens next!
G) If I were Telemachus, I would be crying and celebrating over finding my long-lost father after 20 years. I would love to see him again as a war hero after so long. I would rush to embrace him after so long. I completely understand and would do the same thing he did to Odysseus. Especially after the change of looks that Athena did right in front of him. I would want to help in anyway I come possibly do so. This make me excited to see what’s next.
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Post by eddieditolla on Oct 28, 2013 19:22:40 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr. Thomas
English 10
28 October 2013
The Odyssey Book 16
D. Some lines I liked in Book 16 were “As a father brimming with love, welcomes home his darling only son in a warm embrace – what pain he’s borne for him and him alone! – home now, in the tenth year from far above.” (Book 16 lines 19 – 22) I enjoyed these lines because it shows Odysseus’ or Eumaeus(confused a little) affection of love of finally being home to his son Telemachus and he is happy now since he was away for ten years. Another set of lines that I like were “She’s still waiting there in your halls, poor woman, suffering so, her life an endless hardship… wasting away the nights weeping away the days.” (Book 16 lines 41 – 44) I liked these lines because it shows that Penelope, Odysseus’ wife, is still loyal to him and only him.
E. The scene I chose to talk about was right at the beginning of Book 16. In the beginning my reactions were good because it was Telemachus finally meeting his dad to an extent. It is like Telemachus vs. Master. The child respects the master and the child will do whatever the master tells him. Another reaction that I had was when Eumaeus or Odysseus sees Telemachus he wants to say hello and look at him. I thought this was a little weird at first.
H. The scene that I chose to write a movie scene about was when Eumaeus got up and started walking towards town. It is towards the edge of the forest and he walks out with his sandals and some sort of robe on. Athena is watching from above and Odysseus sees her and so do the dogs. The dogs look nervous and scared so they started to whimper. Athena came down and appeared like a woman. The most beautiful woman ever and Athena is giving hints to Odysseus to go talk to his son and tell him the truth. In this scene I would have Harrison Ford be Odysseus and Athena would be the actress who plays wonder woman in the marvel movies.
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Post by VonGarcia on Oct 28, 2013 21:08:18 GMT -5
C.) Was it part of their plan that Athena would take Odysseus’s disguise off when he meets his son? Or was Odysseus unaware that she was going to remove his disguise? I still don’t get why he would continue to be in disguise after revealing himself to his son. Why can’t he just show up to Penelope as Odysseus? If he does that, wouldn’t the suitors stop since they would know that Penelope is no longer a widow and is still married to Odysseus? Another question I have is that why did Telemachus sound like he already knows that the suitors are after him? I thought that he had no clue that they were after him.
E.) I love the scene where Telemachus treats the disguised Odysseus. Even though he didn’t know that it really was his father, he want to treat him with hospitality and generosity. It makes me feel like Telemachus actually had a connection with the disguised Odysseus, even though he had no idea it was his father. I also like the scene at the end where both of them go to sleep. This scene shows us the first time for Odysseus to have family near him in years. He has been longing for this. Now he's home and his son is with him.
I.) I agree with Chris Noble. I also feel bad for Penelope. She’s been faithful throughout the years, which I think is very impressive since it’s been several years. Instead of thinking that her husband is dead, she still hopes for his return and that everything is restored back to normal.
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Post by luissantana on Oct 28, 2013 22:33:14 GMT -5
D) I really enjoyed the moment when Telemachus saw his father, Odysseus. I thought that this was a wonderful moment. I even liked the way Telemachus first reacted when his saw his father for the first time in many years. The moment went like this: “His own son gazed at him, wonderstruck…” I liked this because I believe that this would also be my reaction if I just saw my father after many years of him being gone and me thinking he was dead. This was a great thing that happened in the book and the way it was written out was fantastic.
E) I finally like what Odysseus was thinking. This which I’m talking about is to go in and kill and overthrow all of the suitors. I was waiting for a while for Odysseus to do this. I wasn’t sure how he was able to just go along as the old man and didn’t ask to be changed to his normal self so he could go and greet his wife. If it was me I would have been thinking of doing this for a long time and wanting to change into my own self quickly to do this.
G) Acting as Penelope. I can’t believe that Antinous was trying to kill my great son Telemachus. I really can’t believe this after my husband, Odysseus, saved his father from people who were trying to kill him. So why would he now try to set up a plan to kill my son. This is just horrible.
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Post by peterboustani on Oct 28, 2013 22:39:57 GMT -5
Peter Boustani
D. I was actually very happy to see something go well in Odysseus’ favor for once. Not only was seeing something happy for Odysseus happen a nice change from the over whelming amount of terrible things this man had to go through, and also I don’t know exactly what it was but seeing Odysseus so happy after seeing his son was very heartwarming and oddly tear-jerking despite the fact that it text not an actual visual experience. It was very nice to see how much Telemachus and Odysseus love each other as you can obviously see how much they missed each other. All in all I really enjoyed this part and the fact that Odysseus and Telemachus can now fight together as a team.
C. What I really did not like and didn’t understand was why it was only after the extremely loyal Eumaues, who preached and preached his love and respect for his master, Odysseus, left he finally took of the disguise and showed his true identity to Telemachus. This is not to say that Telemachus is not worthy as if it were my son I would imagine I would trust him the most and it would be smart, Eumaues is way more loyal than I think any man or any child ever has been to another person, especially someone who literally owns the person. I felt as though after all that testing I would have expected more, maybe in the end Odysseus finally turning back for Eumaues and asking him to work with him but no, he waits for him to leave and then reveals himself. This small gripe I found to be quite annoying.
I. I agree with Chris that I liked how with really having to test him much at all Telemachus proves to be a good hearted person with the lines “But our new guest, since he’s arrived at your house, I’ll give him a shirt and cloak to wear, good clothing, give him a two-edged sword and sandals for his feet and send him off, wherever his heart desires”.
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Post by victorpasquin on Oct 29, 2013 5:46:11 GMT -5
C) I do not understand why Athena makes Odysseus looks older and out of shape instead of transforming him to look younger and better. In addition, why does Athena transform Odysseus while Telemachus is watching? As a result, Telemachus would no longer think that the man he was talking to was his father, Odysseus. "First, she made the cloak and shirt on his body fresh and clean, then made him taller, supple, young, his ruddy tan came back, the cut of his jawline firmed and the dark beard clustered back around his chin." (Book 16 Lines 195-198)
E) While all of this is going on, I feel bad for Penelope. She is and has been waiting at home for Odysseus to return and he hasn't yet. Plus, she has been loyal to Odysseus while he has been gone and she hasn't had an affair with any other men. “She’s still waiting there in your halls, poor woman, suffering so, her life an endless hardship…wasting away the nights, weeping all those days” (Book 16 lines 41-44).
F) Throughout the reading, I noticed how Telemachus and Eumaeus treat each other like they are relatives. It is ironic because Odysseus treated Eumaeus like a son and Telemachus is his son. Odysseus says, "As a father, brimming with love, welcomes home his darling only son in a warm embrace what pain he's borne for him and him alone! home now, in the tenth year from far abroad." (Book 16 Lines 19-25)
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