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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 23, 2013 12:35:18 GMT -5
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Post by kyleconnolly on Oct 23, 2013 17:28:11 GMT -5
C) If my mother had passed away, I don’t think I would want anything to remind me of her, and especially I wouldn’t ask about her to other people. So why does Odysseus? He knows his mother has passed away, so why ask about her to the swineherder? Is he trying to do this to see what everyone says about his mother or because he wants to cover up his identity? “Tell me about the mother of King Odysseus, please the father he left as well, on the threshold of old age when he sailed off to war. Are they still alive perhaps, still looking into the light of day? Or dead by now, and down in Death’s long house?” (Book 15 Lines 385-389)
E) If a man confessed to being a killer right in front of my face, I would probably run as fast as I could in the other direction, but Telemachus does something different and I was shocked. “I killed a man of my own tribe. But he has many brothers and kin in Argos, stallion-land, who rule the plans in force. Fleeing death at their hands, a dismal fate, I am a fugitive man.” (Book 15 Lines 314-318) Not only has he killed someone, but people are after him. So that means if he is seen with Telemachus, Telemachus could be killed along with the fugitive. Instead of doing what I would’ve done, Telemachus offers him help by taking him on board to Ithaca.
F) Despite showing great loyalty numerous times towards Odysseus, the swineherder is asked to prove it again when Odysseus asks: “Odysseus spoke up, eager to test the swineherd, see if he’d stretch out his warm welcome now, invite him to stay on in the farmstead here, or send him off to town.” (Book 15 Lines 338-341)
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Post by chrisnoble on Oct 26, 2013 13:44:36 GMT -5
D. “Until, at last, the wind and current bore us on to Ithaca, here where Laertes brought me with his wealth. And so I first laid eyes on this good land.’ And King Odysseus answered warmly, “Eumaeus, so much misery! You’ve moved my heart, deeply, with your long tale-such pain, such sorrow” (page 334 lines 538-544). I liked this because it shows that Eumaeus has had a good life despite being kidnapped and taken to a new place as a child. He has had a kind master who gives him food and a good life. Odysseus tells Eumaeus: “It’s been a fine life you lead! Better than mine… I’ve been drifting through cities up and down the earth and now I’ve landed here” (page 335 lines 550-552). I agree with Odysseus when he says that Eumaeus’s life has been better than his. Odysseus hasn’t been happy and I don’t believe he will be, but Eumaeus seems to be happy with his life.
I. I agree with Kyle when he talked about Telemachus talking to Melampus. I would definitely run away from Melampus if I was Telemachus. If a fugitive walked up to me, there is no reason why I would talk to this person. What if he had a weapon and tried to kill Telemachus? Why would Telemachus be so foolish?
E. I feel bad for Eumaeus. He was taken away from his parents as a child to a foreign place. That must be a terrible feeling to have in the back of your mind all the time. “and I tagged along, lost in all my innocence!” (page 334 line 326).
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Post by eddie ditolla on Oct 27, 2013 13:16:32 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr.Thomas
Englih 10
27 October 2013
The Odyssey Book 15 lines 286 – end
D. “ Odysseus spoke up, eager to test the swineherd, see if he’d stretch out his warm welcome now, invite him to stay on in the farmstead here or send him off to town.” (Pg. 329 lines 338-341) I liked these lines because I like how Odysseus tests the swineherd again and Odysseus wants to test him if he will invite to have dinner with him and live in the farmstead or would he send him off to town. Another set of lines were “She rarely appears these days, what with those suitors milling in the hall; she keeps to her upper story, weaving at her loom.” (Pg. 335 lines 577 – 579) I like these lines because it talks about Telemachus mother and it tells us that she is keeping to her story and that she has destiny and power over the other people.
G. If I was Eumaeus and I was taken away from his parents as a child to a foreign place. I would terrible and miserable. I would loose all of my confidence and self respect for myself. “and I tagged along, lost in all my innocence!” (page 334 line 326). But I would feel good if my master gave me food and a great life even though I was kidnapped. In end I think that Eumaeus has a pretty good life in the end in spite of being kid napped.
I. I agree with Kyle because I too would probably run as fast as I could in the other direction, but Telemachus did something unusual and I was taken back. “I killed a man of my own tribe. But he has many brothers and kin in Argos, stallion-land, who rule the plans in force. Fleeing death at their hands, a dismal fate, I am a fugitive man.” (Book 15 Lines 314-318) Not only has he killed someone, but people are after him. Why would he run in the opposite direction instead of getting help or explain it to someone?
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Post by alfredfrederic on Oct 27, 2013 15:23:45 GMT -5
A) In foreign countries, some people are so poor; they need to sell their children into slavery. Now this is not the case with the swineherd, but still. Children are forced to work to play for something that their parents owe. And here the swineherd’s mother owed a fee to the pirates, didn’t she?
C) Why did Telemachus listen to the needy man so easily? Why was he being so generous to this stranger? Is it about the rules of suppliants again? Did he know who the stranger was? So the loyal swineherd was really a prince? Why did his mother give him away so easily? Why was she having an affair with the pirates? Why was the swineherd so open about his story? What was the point of him being sold into slavery? Did his mother not like her own son? Or was it to make the deal sweeter for the pirates? Who bought him anyway?
D) Lines that were really good were line 312-314. They go, “So desperate! How could I drive you from my ship? Come sail with us, we’ll tend you at home, with all we can provide.” Nowadays you wouldn’t expect to hear that if you were a beggar. It surprised me that Telemachus gave him everything he needed, including a ride home. I mean now if you go begging, everyone will probably turn you down and get nothing out of it. It really shows something about Telemachus we don’t know about. Lets see what comes next. This is getting good!
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Post by robertmaruca on Oct 27, 2013 18:07:51 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 15 Lines 286-622
A. The part when Odysseus (old man) tells Eumaeus that he is going to leave for the palace hoping that Eumaeus will offer him to stay for longer reminded me of when a neighbor came to my house to drop something off and then she said, “Okay I’m going to go now” but then my mom offered her to stay longer. After reading something similar to this in the Odyssey I am convinced that the trick really does work.
C. I am confused as to why Telemachus gives Theoclymenus to his frien Piraeus. Why couldn’t Telemachus just keep hold of his shipmate and use him to help him when he goes to fight off the suitors?
D. I really enjoyed reading the story of Eumaeus. I didn’t like any certain line but I liked the story because I learned a lot about Eumaeus. When he was first brought into the book I was confused as to who he was, why he was there, and how he got there. This story really cleared up although questions I had. I also thought it was ironic that Eumaeus who kind of works like a slave came from a wealthy family in his homeland.
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Post by nicholasleong on Oct 27, 2013 21:12:14 GMT -5
Nicholas Leong
Mr.Thomas
English 10
10/27/13
Discussion board
I. I agree with Robert Maruca where he says “I really enjoyed reading the story of Eumaeus. I didn’t like any certain line but I liked the story because I learned a lot about Eumaeus. When he was first brought into the book I was confused as to who he was, why he was there, and how he got there. This story really cleared up although questions I had. I also thought it was ironic that Eumaeus who kind of works like a slave came from a wealthy family in his homeland” This is so true because it shows that anybody could become poor even the richest people. I agree with him for a second reason in that, I too was confused about the character Eumeus. I knew he was a swineherd and all but I didn’t know anything about his family and that was really bothering me.
E. I feel very bad for Eumaeus for many reasons. I feel bad for him because he went from a very wealthy family and probably having everything in life when he was older to not having a lot and being a slave to being taken to a foreign place as a young boy.
F. I feel like Odysseus as a trust problem. The Swineherd showed loyalty to Odysseus many times yet Odysseus still cant trust him. I feel like this will affect their relationship because the Swineherd really likes Odysseus and trusts him. However; Odysseus is not the same. He doesn’t trust the Swineherd that must and I think that’s wrong.
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Post by luissantana on Oct 28, 2013 0:37:57 GMT -5
D) Even though the swineherd is being tested I still like the way he acts. He says “no, stay here. No one finds you a burden…” I liked this because it shows how good the swineherd is. It shows that he does follow being nice to guest as most people were in this time. It shows that he is a good swineherd and that he is loyal to Odysseus and doesn’t do anything that is wrong. He doesn’t tell him to just leave even though he is just a begger. He tells him to stay and that shows a lot of character in Euramus.
E) My reactions to Telemachus is great because of what he does. It shows that he was raised to be a great young man and that he isn’t mean or any such things because of him thinking his father was dead. What made me think of him so greatly was with the prophet how he took him on to his boat. I thought this was great because the prophet seemed to be desperate and Telemachus answered in a time of need instead of just leaving him there. That’s why I believe he was raised into a great young man and that he is a great person.
I) In response to Alfred I think he was doing all those things for the stranger because he sounded as if he was in need. Also because he sounded extremely desperate and Telemachus couldn’t just leave him there. He even says so “So desperate… Come sail with us…”
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Post by victorpasquin on Oct 28, 2013 6:01:47 GMT -5
C) Why would Odysseus want to be reminded of his mother's death? Usually, most people, do not ask questions about a death of someone close to them.“Tell me about the mother of King Odysseus, please the father he left as well, on the threshold of old age when he sailed off to war. Are they still alive perhaps, still looking into the light of day? Or dead by now, and down in Death’s long house?” (Book 15 Lines 385-389)
E) If I were in Telemachus' shoes, I would not have offered to help melampus especially after he said he was a murderer. “I killed a man of my own tribe. But he has many brothers and kin in Argos, stallion-land, who rule the plans in force. Fleeing death at their hands, a dismal fate, I am a fugitive man.” (Book 15 Lines 314-318) I would be in fear for my own life and being seen with melampus. When Telemachus offered to help him, I was very surprised.
F) After all Odysseus and the swineherder have been through, Odysseus still wants the swineherder to show his loyalty to Odysseus when he says, “Odysseus spoke up, eager to test the swineherd, see if he’d stretch out his warm welcome now, invite him to stay on in the farmstead here, or send him off to town.” (Book 15 Lines 338-341) Odysseus is basically testing the swinherder's loyalty, once again.
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Post by peterboustani on Oct 28, 2013 7:54:46 GMT -5
Peter Boustani
D. I didn't really like how Odysseus continues to test Eumaeus despite already having tested his loyalty the day before. Even though it was something as simple as testing his hospitality by offering to leave with the hopes and expectations that Eumaeus would offer him to stay longer. I feel like Odysseus needs to actually focus on the more important people, no offense to Eumaeus, instead of testing Eumaeus to his limits as he has been. He already knows the Eumaeus has been one of his most loyal if not the most loyal of all of his friends and crew people. I think that Odysseus need to move on and see his wife already despite the suitors. I feel like he is going to waste too much time and end up losing his wife or something bad with happen as a consequence.
C. I feel as though Odysseus is trying way too hard to play the part of this old man to the point where it is becoming too unbelievable. He is asking around about his dead mother saying "Tell me about the mother of King Odysseus, please the father he left as well, on the threshold of old age when he sailed off to war. Are they still alive perhaps, still looking into the light of day? Or dead by now, and down in Death's long house?" It just seems very unnecessary yet it still does not seem out of character.
I. I agree with victor that if it were me in Telemachus' position I would not have helped Melampus, especially right after he told me he murdered someone in his own tribe.
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