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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 22, 2013 13:50:39 GMT -5
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Post by chrisnoble on Oct 22, 2013 17:23:07 GMT -5
D. “Welcome sleep could not hold him. All through the godsent night he lay awake… tossing with anxious thoughts about his father” (page 319 lines 7-9). I liked this quote because it shows that Telemachus has not forgotten about his father after all of those years. Telemachus was praying that Odysseus would be home by the time he got home, which shows that Telemachus still loves his father.
E. “At his last words a bird flew past on the right, an eagle clutching a huge white goose in its talons, plucked from the household yards. And all rushed after, shouting, men and women, and swooping toward the chariot now the bird veered off to the right again before the horses” (page 324 lines 179-183). When I read this quote, I got the feeling that the bird was a farewell and good luck to Telemachus as he left for Ithaca. As I thought about it more, I also thought of the bird as Odysseus, being there with Telemachus as he left.
G. If I was Telemachus when the man came toward him as he was leaving, I would be scared. The man is said to be “a man from a far-off country came toward him now, a fugitive out of Argos: he had killed a man…” (page 326 lines 248-249). If I knew that someone was a fugitive for killing someone, I would get away from that person as quickly as possible. I don’t know if Telemachus knew who the man was, but if Telemachus did, he would be foolish to talk to this man.
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Post by kyleconnolly on Oct 22, 2013 18:36:01 GMT -5
C) Back home in Ithaca, Penelope is being ushered into marrying Eurymachus by her father and brothers who presume Odysseus dead. I understand that, but where is the loyalty? Is Eurymachus a worthy husband of beautiful Penelope, who is wanted by a lot of people? Has Penelope given up hope on Odysseus returning or does she believe that she needs a man to satisfy her needs, especially after Odysseus being away for so long? “Even now her father and brothers urge Penelope to marry Eurymachus, who excels all other suitors at giving gifts and drives the bride-price higher.” (Book 15 Lines 19-21) E) As I was reading, I noticed that Helen had returned to her husband Menelaus. In other stories including the movie, Troy, Helen had run away with Paris willingly, and after the destruction of Troy, Paris had snuck out of the city with Helen and had run away from Menelaus so they could be together. Apparently not in this story as it says: “At those words, Dawn rose on her golden throne and Menelaus, lord of the warcry, rising up from bed by the side of Helen with her loose and lovely hair , walked towards his guests.” (Book 15 Lines 62-65) I) chrisnoble Like you said, you’re not sure if Telemachus knew who the man was when he first began talking to him and I don’t think he did. Telemachus couldn’t assume any wandering man is a killer how could anyone? Also, even if Telemachus did know the man was a killer, I think he would’ve continued to talk to him because he is a prince, a strong man who can fend for himself. |
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Post by alfredfrederic on Oct 22, 2013 19:59:16 GMT -5
A) In times of family problems, a member will get a letter or a message telling them to come home. They hurry and do whatever they can to get to the problem, just like what Telemachus is doing. He is trying to get home to help his mom with the suitors. This is very common today and this is an example of this scenario playing out don’t you agree? This is really similar to what happens today. Does this mean a lot of things that happen today happened back then too?
C) Now that Athena has contacted Telemachus, will he go on a journey home like his father? What was the point of him leaving home anyway? Was he trying to get away from the suitors? Why did Athena tell him about the suitors instead of the fact that his father has finally come home? What was the bird supposed to be? Was Telemachus living it up and being hosted by a king like Odysseus was? What was the point of Athena saying to him, “You know how the heart of a woman works: she likes to build the wealth of her new groom.” ? (book 15 lines 23-24) Was she trying to give him a reason to hurry home or was she explaining the situation that was happening?
F) What is Telemachus’ relationship to Athena? I know that Odysseus has a strong relationship, but his son? Does it seem that the only reason Athena is reaching out to Telemachus is because he is Odysseus’ son? Or was it important to have him ready and on site?
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Post by robertmaruca on Oct 22, 2013 20:10:05 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 15 Lines 1-249
B. This book is significant to the whole novel because if Telemachus doesn’t get home to Ithaca quickly the suitors will have enough time to win over Penelope’s heart. If this happens then Odysseus and Telemachus can’t get their mother/wife back from the rude suitors. I am going to make a prediction be saying since Telemachus leaves Pylos early he will be able to stop the suitors and keep his mother safe. He also knows how to avoid the ambush from some of the suitors.
E. Athena shows her helpfulness in this book because she tells Telemachus to try and get out of Pylos as soon as possible as soon as possible. Most importantly she tells Telemachus some of the suitors are planning an ambush so they can kill Telemachus. Athena then reveals a plan on how to avoid the ambush so he can get to his mother safely. Athena tells Telemachus to first visit the swineherd before entering the palace, and I defend this decision. This will allow Eumaeus to tell people about Telemachus’ arrival. Some might think that he will be losing time by spending a night at Eumaeus little shelter, but I think Athena is making the right decision.
G. If I was Telemachus, I would feel grateful that Athena has revealed critical advice that can ultimately lead to death of all the suitors. I would also be relieved because Menelaus and Helen are not forcing Telemachus to stay in Pylos any longer. Telemachus being forced to stay longer would have made him lose crucial time to save his mother.
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Post by victorpasquin on Oct 22, 2013 22:42:04 GMT -5
I) I agree with Chris and Kyle. It seems it seems that Telemachus does not know who he is talking to. Therefore, I came to the conclusion that Telemachus did not know who he was really talking to.
C) Where is Penelope's loyalty to Odysseus? Granted, she thinks that he is dead, but most wives of deceased husbands usually grieve over their death. In this case, Penelope does not do that and I do not understand why. In addition, Penelope is considered to be beautiful, if this is true then why is she so quick to marry Eurymachus? “Even now her father and brothers urge Penelope to marry Eurymachus, who excels all other suitors at giving gifts and drives the bride-price higher.” (Book 15 Lines 19-21)
D) Throughout the reading, I enjoyed the two lines that say that Telemachus is still thinking about his father, Odysseus, after all the years that he has been gone. “Welcome sleep could not hold him. All through the godsent night he lay awake… tossing with anxious thoughts about his father” (Book 15 lines 7-9). He was wishing that Odysseus would come home and that he still loved and cared about him.
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Post by luissantana on Oct 22, 2013 22:52:12 GMT -5
C) Did Athena come as a different person or in a disguise? What was the omen? I didn’t really understand what it said it was. Also what does the heart of a woman work? I didn’t pick up on this either.
E) I thought that Menelaus was great because he really was good with hospitality. Also that he gave Telemachus gifts even though he was a guest that was just there for some time. Another thing is that Menelaus said that he would give him a quick return home. It also seem like they were really good gifts as he said he would give him and from the description of what he said he would give them. This gave me a great impression of him and that he is a great character.
F) I believe that the relationship between Athena, Odysseus and Telemachus are just fantastic. I believe so because she is very helpful for both of them. I thought it was great that she was able to do this for both of them. I thought it was especially great to tell him that it was time to go home because the suitors were trying to take his mother’s hand. I also thought it was great to tell him what to do when he got there. I thought it was great because of what the suitors had in plan for him, this which was killing him. But in all the relationship between these three seem to be a great one that will last forever.
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Post by eddie ditolla on Oct 27, 2013 12:16:24 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr. Thomas
English 10
27 October 2013
D. “Welcome sleep could not hold him. All through the god sent night he lay awake… tossing with anxious thoughts about his father” (page 319 lines 7-9). I liked this quote because it shows that Telemachus has not forgotten about his father during the years he was away at war and on his way back home to Ithaca. Another reason I liked this line because it talks and shows you that Telemachus has not forgotten about Odysseus and hopes to see him soon.
E. “At his last words a bird flew past on the right, an eagle clutching a huge white goose in its talons, plucked from the household yards. And all rushed after, shouting, men and women, and swooping toward the chariot now the bird veered off to the right again before the horses” (page 324 lines 179-183). When I read this quote, I got the feeling that the bird was a good bye and happy trails to Telemachus so that he may find his way home. Another reaction I had was that since the eagle is the more fierce bird then the goose I thought that that may be a sign of Odysseus to Telemachus that he will be their and survive just like how other animals have to eat each other. So it is kind of like the survival of the fittest and Odysseus lived through every hard time.
I. I agree with Chris noble because I too believe and would feel that someone was a fugitive for killing someone, I would get away from that person as quickly as possible. I don’t know if Telemachus knew who the man was, but if Telemachus did, he would be foolish to talk to this man.
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Post by jcktffy on Oct 30, 2013 20:25:17 GMT -5
Book 15 Lines 1-249
I liked what Chris Noble said “Welcome sleep could not hold him. All through the godsent night he lay awake… tossing with anxious thoughts about his father” (page 319 lines 7-9). I liked this quote because it shows that Telemachus has not forgotten about his father after all of those years. Telemachus was praying that Odysseus would be home by the time he got home, which shows that Telemachus still loves his father. This is important because it shows that Odysseus’ own son is still loyal and has hope after all these years.
If I was Telemachus I would be extremely grateful to Athena for helping him out in a difficult situation. Without Athena’s assistance the suitors will most likely have a better chance of controlling power of his fathers land and wife. It would probably cause great problems throughout the family because Odysseus is so close to taking Penelope back.
One thing that was confusing was what was the motive behind Athena’s helpfulness to Odysseus and his family. She had helped Odysseus all this time and reach Ithaca, than gives him the disguise as an old man. On top of all of this he warns Odysseus’ son that his fathers land will be taken in a few days, and he must return quickly.
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