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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 21, 2013 10:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by kyleconnolly on Oct 21, 2013 17:57:27 GMT -5
C) As Odysseus had stumbled upon a pig sty, he was nearly ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs before a slave, the swineherder, saved him. Why is a slave in charge of the pigs, something that had a lot of use for the people in Ithaca, instead of someone with more mobility? “Eat up now, my friend. It’s all we slaves have got, scrawny pork, while the suitors eat the fatted hogs” (Book 14 Lines 94-95)
E) One thing that I found funny was how the slave was praising about Odysseus, to Odysseus without even knowing. “But my old king? The gods, they must have blocked his journey home. He’d have treated me well, he would, with a house, a plot of land and a wife you’d grandly prize. Goods that a kind lord will give a household hand who labors for him, hard, who work the gods have sped, just as they speed the work I labor at all day. My master, I tell you, would have repaid me well if he’d grown old right here. But now he’s dead...” (Book 14 Lines 70-78) I find it almost ridiculous that the slave is saying all of this, it’s like he’s doing it sarcastically as if he knows he’s talking to Odysseus.
F) Another thing I noticed with the slave is that he really cares about his master, which is shown when he says: “Here I sit, my heart aching, broken for him, my master, my great king-fattening up his own hogs for other men to eat, while he, starving for food, I wager, wanders the earth, a beggar adrift in strangers cities, foreign-speaking lands, if he’s still alive, that is, still sees the rising sun.” (Book 14 Lines 44-49)
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Post by phillipgay on Oct 21, 2013 19:02:30 GMT -5
C. In the line “within the yard he’d built twelve sites, side-by-side, to bed his pigs, and in each one fifty brood-sows slept around, penned and kept for breeding.” Why does he need pigs? Was he just using them for food? Also are the pigs starting problems? Because it seems like it in the lines “Suddenly-those snarling dogs spotted Odysseus, charged him fast-a shatter of barks-but Odysseus sank to the ground at once, he knew the trick:” it seems like the dogs are coming and attacking where he lives because of the pigs. I also did not understand the lines “Every stranger and beggar comes from Zeus and whatever scrap they get from the likes of us, they’ll find it welcome.” I would like them to be explained.
D. I enjoyed the line “Suddenly-those snarling dogs spotted Odysseus, charged him fast-a shatter of barks-but Odysseus sank to the ground at once, he knew the trick:” because you see how the setting went from being so calm to how it became hectic and dangerous in just seconds. I also enjoyed the line “Even cutthroat bandits who raid foreign parts-and Zeus grants them a healthy share of plunder,” because it shows that good is taking care of evil and it shows that there is justice in the world.
F. The line “the gods hid me themselves-it’s light work for them-and brought me here, the homestead of a man who knows the world. So it seems to be my lot that I’ll live on.” shows that Odysseus has a very good relationship with some of the gods because they actually help him out when he needs help.
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Post by alfredfrederic on Oct 21, 2013 19:09:58 GMT -5
C) Who said, “Here I sit, my heart aching, broken for him, my master, my great king- fattening up his own hogs for other men to eat, while he, starving for food, I wager, wanders the earth.” (Lines 44-47) Is it the farm hand who says this or Odysseus? Why is the swinehead so willing to host Odysseus as an old man? Is it the rule of hospitality again? Why couldn’t the swinehead believe Odysseus’ sayings and oaths that he was going to return? Was it really that unbelievable? Was the Swinehead so disbelieving he couldn’t take his word?
E) Odysseus talking to the Swinehead and telling him the truth was funny. Esspeccially the reaction he got from it. It seemed that the swinehead had lost all hope for Odysseus and all hope that he would see him again. It also shows that some of the other servants still loyal to Odysseus have lost hope, it’s funny that Odysseus actually has to say, “You can kill me if I’m wrong” before the swinehead finally accepted his oath of return. It really shows that they didn’t have hope for his return after so long, and they presumed him dead or wandering and begging.
G) I would be annoyed by the old man oathing me something that I wouldn’t believe was going to happen. I mean Odysseus has been gone for 7 years after Troy, I wouldn’t believe it until it happened. I completely understand his actions because of that, don’t you?
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Post by martinsteffens on Oct 21, 2013 19:28:53 GMT -5
Martin Steffens
Mr. Thomas
English 10
October 21, 2013
Book 14 Lines: 1-227, 408-602
D “Here I sit , my heart aching, broken for him, my master, my great king- fattening up his own hogs for other men to eat, while he, starving for food, I wager, wanders the Earth, a beggar adrift in strangers’ cities, foreign-speaking lands, if he’s still alive, that is, still sees the rising sun. Come, follow me into my place, old man, so you at least can eat your fill of bread and wine.”
I enjoyed those lines very much. The swineherd had no clue that he was talking to Odysseus. But, he was saying great things. I feel like this is very comforting for Odysseus to hear that his people still like him. Honestly he must have been a completely different person to be praised the way the swineherd does.
D “My master? Well, no doubt the dogs and wheeling birds have ripped the skin from his ribs by now, his life is through- or fish have picked him clean at sea, and the man’s bones lie piled up on the mainland, buried deep in sand… he’s dead and gone. Aye, leaving a broken heart for the loved ones left behind, for me most of all. Never another master as kind as he.”
I also enjoyed these lines. I feel like this one was way more harsh due to the swineherd telling Odysseus that he thinks Odysseus is dead somewhere with his skin eaten and his bones in a pile. Yet again, he ends this brutal quote with “never another master as kind as he.”
E) The relationship with Odysseus and the swineherd is a very interesting one. Before the war, based off of quotes, they had a very good relationship. During the war and the trip home they lost contact so they were not that close. As the swineherd tells stories of Odysseus to Odysseus all I can think of his Odysseus ripping off his costuming and saying that he is Odysseus and that is what you think of me?
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Post by nicholasleong on Oct 21, 2013 19:57:38 GMT -5
Nicholas Leong
Mr. Thomas
English 10
10/21/13
Discussion board
E. One relationship that I thought was very strange yet ironic in the same way was Odysseus and the person that kept the hogs. I thought that it was strange because at first the swineherd was nothing but praising his master but then he got I feel like very sad. An example to support my reason is how when he said Odysseus was dead and was never coming back, Odysseus was shocked and I could picture in my head the swineherd telling this to the disguised Odysseus.
I. I agree with Alfred where he goes on to say: “I would be annoyed by the old man oathing me something that I wouldn’t believe was going to happen. I mean Odysseus has been gone for 7 years after Troy, I wouldn’t believe it until it happened.” I agree with him because lets say you had a best friend or family member that went to war a very long time ago and didn’t come back and you never heard from anybody that came back from the war Wouldn’t you assume the worst that could happen like they died?
B. I feel like the Swineherd believing that Odysseus is dead and telling that to Odysseus adds a nice touch to the story. I feel this way because if he didn’t know that Odysseus wasn’t actually dead and knew he was going to come back to life, there would not be any drama that could of happened.
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Post by kevinmcmahon on Oct 21, 2013 20:08:19 GMT -5
D) One line that I really enjoyed in “The Odyssey” book 14 was when Eumaeus was describing in Odysseus to his disguised self. Here it says “He’d have treated me well, he would, with a house, a plot of land and a wife you’d gladly prize. Goods that a kind lord will give a household hand who labors for him, hard, whose work the gods have sped, just as they speed the work labor all day. My master, I tell you, would have repaid me well if he’d grown old right here”.
E) One character that I liked in book 14 was Eumaeus. The reason I liked Eumaeus was because of the great amount of respect he had for Odysseus. Every word that Eumaeus had said in book 14 only showed how great of a man Odysseus was. It says “Never another master kind as he! I’ll never find one-no matter where I go, not even my mother and father, the house where I was born and my parents reared me once”. This showed the great amount of care he had for Odysseus and how much he owed him for the things Odysseus supplied to him.
F) One relationship that is a good relationship in book 14 was the relationship between Odysseus and Eumaeus. This is a good relationship because of the constant trade of respect and items Odysseus and Eumaeus have and trade with each other. Here it says “The heart inside me breaks when anyone mentions my dear master. That oath of yours, we’ll let it pass- Odysseus, oh come back!”.
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Post by chrisnoble on Oct 21, 2013 20:09:53 GMT -5
A. When Odysseus is going to sleep and Eumaeus cares for him, it says: “With that he rose to his feet and laid out a bed by the fire, throwing over it skins of sheep and goats and down Odysseus lay. Eumaeus flung on his guest the heavy flaring cloak he kept in reserve to wear when winter brought some wild storm” (page 318 lines 586-591). When I was walking home from school one day this year, all of a sudden a huge gust of wind came and the sky had gray clouds. It felt like the temperature dropped 20 degrees. And to make things even worse, I didn’t have a jacket.
D. “Yes, but the swineherd, quick to move, dashed for the gate, flinging his oxhide down, rushed the dogs with curses, scattered them left and right with flying rocks and warned the master, ‘Lucky to be alive, old man-a moment more, my pack would have torn you limb from limb!’” (page 302 lines 37-41). I liked this quote because if the dogs would have attacked Odysseus, it brings up the question of what will happen next in the story. What would have happened in the rest of the story?
F. I believe that the relationship between Odysseus and Athena is keeping Odysseus alive at this point. She helped him once again in Book 14: “So up the path from the haven now Odysseus climbed a rugged path through timber along high ground-Athena had shown the way-to reach the swineherd’s place, that fine loyal man who of all the household hands Odysseus ever had cared the most for his master’s worldly goods” (page 301 lines 1-5).
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Post by Thomas Laible on Oct 21, 2013 20:23:42 GMT -5
One quote I liked was “Here I sit , my heart aching, broken for him, my master, my great king- fattening up his own hogs for other men to eat, while he, starving for food, I wager, wanders the Earth, a beggar adrift in strangers’ cities, foreign-speaking lands, if he’s still alive, that is, still sees the rising sun. Come, follow me into my place, old man, so you at least can eat your fill of bread and wine.” I liked this qoute because it makes Odysseus feel he is still liked by the people.
I believe that Odysseus and Athena have a good relationship because she is keeping Odysseus alive at this point.“So up the path from the haven now Odysseus climbed a rugged path through timber along high ground-Athena had shown the way-to reach the swineherd’s place, that fine loyal man who of all the household hands Odysseus ever had cared the most for his master’s worldly goods” this quote shows that Athena is helping him once again.
One character that I liked in book 14 was Eumaeus. The reason I liked Eumaeus was because of the great amount of respect he had for Odysseus. Every word that Eumaeus said showed how great of a man Odysseus was.“Never another master kind as he! I’ll never find one-no matter where I go, not even my mother and father, the house where I was born and my parents reared me once”. This quote showed that Eumaeus had great respect for him.
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Post by robertmaruca on Oct 21, 2013 21:03:12 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 14
C. Why won’t Odysseus tell the swineherd Eumaeus his name or the real place he comes from. I don’t know how keeping this information secret will help Odysseus in the long run. I would think that Odysseus would tell Eumaeus his real identity so the swineherd would help Odysseus get to the palace and get revenge on Penelope’s suitors. After all Eumaeus has been on Ithaca for a while now and probably knows a little bit more about the suitor situation than Odysseus who just recently arrived on his home island.
F. I think Eumaeus is being really nice in this book. He offers Odysseus food and wine and at the end of the book he even offers Odysseus some shelter for the night. Although Eumaeus isn’t really convinced Odysseus will come back the disguised Odysseus lies to try and get Eumaeus convinced. I know that Eumaeus is being kind and hospitable in this chapter and I think it is a little weird that Odysseus doesn’t treat Eumaeus with the same kindness.
G. If I were Eumaeus in this chapter I would feel really confused. I think that Odysseus is really twisting up Eumaeus’ head and now the swineherd does not know what to believe. Odysseus tells him that his beloved master will return, but Eumaeus thinks that his master (Odysseus) is dead from the Trojan War. I would not like being told to things that really contradict each other. I feel bad for Eumaeus and I can picture myself in his position.
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Post by colinh98 on Oct 21, 2013 21:34:17 GMT -5
Colin Hamingson
English 10
Mr. Thomas
October 21, 2013
DB Post
In response to Alfred’s question “Who said, “Here I sit, my heart aching, broken for him, my master, my great king- fattening up his own hogs for other men to eat, while he, starving for food, I wager, wanders the earth.” (Lines 44-47) Is it the farm hand who says this or Odysseus?” In this quote it is the farm hand who says this; he is referring to Odysseus’ struggles. And it just shows how the people of Ithaca feel about Odysseus being lost in the situation, well the loyal people.
1) With the swineherd speaking kindly to Odysseus without him even realizing that it is Odysseus, I just find that this could relate to teenagers in modern day. I can make this relation because of those websites that you can ask random questions or just say something to the person (Ask.fm, Formspring etc.). It’s like saying the statement on the page and Odysseus would like hack it to see who it was, and say it was a friend from middle school (bad timing but you get the point), it just shows the honesty and loyalty that some people have. I’m sure if the swineherd had known that it was Odysseus he probably wouldn’t have said all of what he said but rather just flatter Odysseus and welcome him home. It’s not a perfect connection but it can be seen. (I hope)
2) C) Why is this swineherd showing this old man (Odysseus) so much care? It doesn’t make complete sense to me. Is he Phaeacian? Why give him food and give him a bed? Is it because the dogs nearly killed the old man? This is coming from the swineherd’s POV.
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Post by victorpasquin on Oct 21, 2013 21:58:58 GMT -5
C) I questioned why a slave is the owner of pigs. It would make more sense that a slave would work on a farm with pigs and other animals and their owner would own both them and the animals. “Eat up now, my friend. It’s all we slaves have got, scrawny pork, while the suitors eat the fatted hogs” (Book 14 Lines 94-95)
E) While reading, I found it amusing when the slave was praising and preaching about how great Odysseus is to Odysseus, without the slave even knowing that he had been speaking with Odysseus. “But my old king? The gods, they must have blocked his journey home. He’d have treated me well, he would, with a house, a plot of land and a wife you’d grandly prize. Goods that a kind lord will give a household hand who labors for him, hard, who work the gods have sped, just as they speed the work I labor at all day. My master, I tell you, would have repaid me well if he’d grown old right here. But now he’s dead...” (Book 14 Lines 70-78) If the slave knew so much about Odysseus and praised him so much then how come he does not recognize Odysseus when he is talking to him?
F) Odysseus and Eumaeus have a great relationship. This is so because of the amount of respect that the give to each other. It says, “The heart inside me breaks when anyone mentions my dear master. That oath of yours, we’ll let it pass- Odysseus, oh come back!”. Here, Eumaeus is saying how much he loved and respected Odysseus as a close friend and partner.
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Post by peterboustani on Oct 21, 2013 23:38:37 GMT -5
Peter Boustani
D. I was very happy to find that Eumaeus was in fact truly a good person at heart as we see though his interaction with the disguised Odysseus. It was interesting because we have seen how controversial many of the decisions that Odysseus has made as a leader that has many of us as classmates and readers of the book debate about yet Eumaeus sticks to his guns and tells this "stranger" how much he appreciated his old master. The one thing that I hope does not happen is that Odysseus takes the fact that Eumaeus is not necessarily awaiting his return as a sign of disrespect because the way I see it I feel as though it is a normal way to feel after just about two decades of your master being gone after a war. Though we have seen in the past that Odysseus does let his pride get in the way of what is really important which could prove to be problematic. Finally I just hope that Eumaeus has passed Odysseus test of loyalty and possibly come back in the end to help finish of the men after Penelope because it seems very unlikely that Odysseus will single handedly take out what was estimated to be 50-70 men.
C. The one question I have is why didn't Odysseus come out and tell Eumaeus his true identity after seeing his loyalty to him. I would have felt a sense of relief if I was Odysseus that my man had proven his loyalty and at that point would have had him know who I was so that I would have some sort of support. Despite the argument that this is in order to continue searching and investigating and testing others he could just tell Eumaeus and tell him to keep it a secret. Though this was a confusing point as I didn't understand Odysseus' thought process, I did not feel as though it drew me out of the book.
I. I agree with Kevin as I really enjoyed Eumaeus' character as he did show a real respect for Odysseus which was nice and personally made me feel as though there might have been a nicer Odysseus before the war that might return hopefully.
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Post by luissantana on Oct 21, 2013 23:59:54 GMT -5
E) I think that it is just horrible, the things that the suitors do. They live there where there not suppose to and eat all their food. They eat all the pigs and the herd is just becoming less and less. How could they just do this to a herd that isn’t even theirs? They are basically stealing the pigs and just eating them and I think that, that is really messed up. How come no one has come to tell them what they are doing is wrong and horrible. If I was Odysseus I don’t think I would be able to dress up and see and hear all this without doing anything.
D) “Lucky to be alive, old man- a moment more, my pack would have torn you limb from limb!” I don’t know why but I find this a funny line. I find it funny because he first sounds as if it was kind of funny to be torn up by his dogs. But as I read did I realized that he wasn’t saying it in a joking way but serious. But in my point of view the way I saw it, it was sort of funny.
F) The relationship between Eumaeus and Odysseus is fantastic. He seems to be faithful but not sure if Odysseus will ever come back. He thinks that Odysseus is dead and won’t be coming back. Even though he thinks of Odysseus greatly he is stuck on thinking that Odysseus is dead from the vengeance of the gods, and that he won’t return.
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Post by gonzaleza16 on Oct 22, 2013 5:02:32 GMT -5
Anthony Gonzalez
English 14
F) The relationship between Eumaeus and Odysses is very loyal and respected. The two are like best friends in a way because they both respect each other and will do things fro one another that other people wouldnt do.Eumaeus doesnt speak badly of Odysseus and alwasy is kind, loyal, and repsesctive when talking and using Odyssesu name.]
I. I agree with Luis because I think the suitors have caused enough damage and should just mov out already and leave Odyssesus and Penelope alon aalready. They have ate catal not even therers and they have stole food and money that isnt even theres either. I think its about time that they stop already.
G. I would be very mad and feel very angry when I find out what the suitors have done. If I was Odyssesu i would change what they did right away and want to just have the peacful family we use to have .
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