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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 15, 2013 16:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by chrisnoble on Oct 15, 2013 18:56:29 GMT -5
B. When Achilles is talking to Odysseus in the House of Death, Achilles describes how he doesn’t want to be in this awful place, “I’d rather slave on earth for another man-some dirt-poor tenant farmer who scrapes to keep alive-than rule down here over the breathless dead” (page 265 lines 556-558). The significance of this is that it shows how bad of a place the House of Death really is. Being there and hearing Achilles, lets Odysseus realize that if he does bad things during his life, then he will be in the House of Death as well.
F. The relationship between Odysseus and the ghosts is very important. The ghosts provide information to Odysseus about the House of Death. This information and advice given to Odysseus can keep him out of trouble and eventually out of the House of Death. They tell him how bad of a place it is: “What daring brought you down to the House of Death?-where the senseless, burnt-out wraiths of mortals make their home” (page 265 lines 539-540). This quote lets Odysseus know that the House of Death is not a nice place.
G. If I was Odysseus when he is talking to all the ghosts in the House of Death, I would be a little nervous and scared. Ghosts aren’t real and if I found myself talking to a ghost, I would think it’s a little strange and not normal.
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Post by eddieditolla on Oct 16, 2013 14:20:38 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla
Mr. Thomas
English 10
16 October 2013
The Odyssey Book 11 Lines 369- 731
C. In the second part of book 11 is in the beginning when it says “And I saw Clymene, Maera and loathsome Eriphlye – bribed with a golden necklace to lure her lawful husband to his death… But the whole cortege I could never tally, never name not all the daughters nd wives of great men I saw there.” (Book 11 lines 369 – 373) I don’t know if Odysseus is saying these or someone else is saying this? I am also confused to what is happening here and if it is in the underworld or up on earth?
D. “ Ajax , son of noble Telamon, still determined, even in death, not once to forget that rage you train on me for those accursed arms.” (Book 11 lines 632 – 634) I liked these lines in book 11 because Odysseus says them. The lines mean that hate can be immortal. It also tells us that Odysseus got Achilles armor – but Ajax wanted it. Another set of lines I like is “No winning words about death to me, shinning Odysseus! By god, I’d rather slave on earth for another man – some dirt-poor tenant farmer who scrapes to keep alive – than rule down here over all the breathless dead.” (Book 11 lines 555 – 558) I liked these lines because it is important and it is Achilles speaking to Odysseus. In those lines Achilles it telling Odysseus that he hates ruling the underworld, and that he would rather be a slave on earth instead. After those lines Achilles is asking Odysseus questions about his son.
I. I agree with Chris Noble about how Odysseus feels and how the relationship between the ghosts and Odysseus is important. The relationship between Odysseus and the ghosts is very important. The ghosts provide information to Odysseus about the House of Death. This information and advice given to Odysseus can keep him out of trouble and eventually out of the House of Death. They tell him how bad of a place it is: “What daring brought you down to the House of Death?-where the senseless, burnt-out wraiths of mortals make their home” (page 265 lines 539-540). This quote lets Odysseus know that the House of Death is not a nice place.
If I was Odysseus when he is talking to all the ghosts in the House of Death, I would be a little nervous and scared. Ghosts aren’t real and if I found myself talking to a ghost and I would feel a little scared and precautious because you don’t know what they are capable of doing.
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Post by robertmaruca on Oct 16, 2013 16:05:44 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 11 Lines 369-730
E. I defend the decision Ajax made when he met Odysseus in the House of Death. Odysseus tried to speak to his former soldier, but Ajax refuses to because he still holds a grudge on Odysseus, after he lost the contest of Achilles’ armor to Odysseus. Ajax then killed himself for losing the contest, and that is why he is in the House of Death. I can understand why Ajax doesn’t want to speak to Odysseus, because usually when we lose a contest or competition to someone we know it usually causes tension and can ruin a relationship. Although Ajax took it too far by killing himself I know why Ajax is still mad at Odysseus.
F. I think Odysseus’ relationships with all the ghosts he sees are important. The ghosts are not mean and they share stories and information with Odysseus which allows Odysseus to feel a bit comfortable in the House of Death even though it is a scary place. The part when Odysseus sees the ghosts doing these torturous and painful things allows Odysseus to comprehend what people do in the House of Death and why they are there in the first place.
C. I don’t know why King Alcinous and Queen Arete won’t let Odysseus rest for a little. He’s been telling the story for hours and they are just so interested in what Odysseus did on his journey.
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Post by phillipgay on Oct 16, 2013 17:04:43 GMT -5
C. In the quote, “How does this man impress you now, his looks, his build, the balanced mind inside him?” is the reason he looks so good because of the gods? Do they make him look better? In the quote “one look at you and we know you are no one who would cheat us” how does Alcinous know this about Odysseus? Why does Alcinious treat Odysseus so well? I also forget who is Priam in the quote “But the death cry of Cassandra, Priam’s daughter”?
D. The quote “So the man of countless exploits carried on: Alcinous, majesty, shining among your island people, there is a time for many words, a time for sleep as well. But if you insist on hearing more, I’d never stint on telling my own tale and those more painful still, the griefs of my comrades, dead in the wars wake, who escaped the battle cries of Trojan armies” was very enjoyable for me to read. The reason I like this is how Odysseus is using his words to make Alcinous like him more. Odysseus is making it seem like he doesn’t want to talk about himself even though he does. I find that Odysseus is being very sly here. I also enjoyed the quote “tears sprang to his eyes, he thrust his arms toward me, keen to embrace me there-no use-the great force was gone, the strength lost forever, now, that filled his rippling limbs in the old days.” I think it is kind of funny how he does this to Odysseus. I think he does this because he does not want to die too.
I. Robert, I think that the reason they won’t let Odysseus rest is because they aren’t doing anything to him and they are not forcing him to stay so the least that he could do is just tell them how he got to their land. Hopefully that answers you.
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Post by kevinmcmahon on Oct 16, 2013 18:06:07 GMT -5
D) One quote that I really enjoyed in “The Odyssey” lined 369 – 731 was when Odysseus was talking to the demi-god Hercules. Here Hercules says to Odysseus “Son of Zeus that I was, my torments never ended, forced to slave for a man not half the man I was: he saddled me with the worst heartbreaking labors”. The reason I liked this line because he talks about how he is facing the many hardships he is assigned when he is in the underworld. Not only that but it kind of gives a background history of the hero Hercules as well. It gives a background history of Hercules because he tells Odysseus how he went to the underworld to capture a hell hound.
E) One character that I really enjoyed was Odysseus. The reason I liked Odysseus was because in the gates of the underworld he kept calm and has full conversation with those he had used to know. Here it says “I could never tally, never name, not all the daughters and wives of great men there. Long before that, the godsent night would ebb away”. Not only has this but it showed the readers the different people he had come to know in Ithaca and when he served in the army during the Trojan war.
H) If I was a set designer for a movie I would use a lot of torture props, fake blood, and a lot of fog. The reason I would use this stuff if I was designing a movie for this book “but the heart inside me stirred with some desire to see the ghosts of others dead and gone”. It also says “some on their feet, some seated, all clustering round the king of justice, pleading for his verdicts reached in the House of Death with its all-embracing gates”.
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Post by kyleconnolly on Oct 16, 2013 19:28:13 GMT -5
C) One thing I had trouble understanding was why Agamemnon was so upset that his wife had betrayed him, especially after he had just sacrificed their daughter without her knowing. “So, there’s nothing more deadly, bestial than a woman set on works like these, what a monstrous thing she plotted, slaughtered her own lawful husband! Why, I expected, at least some welcome home from all of my children, all my household slaves when I came sailing back again.” (Book 11 Lines 484-489) Does he not expect his wife to be filled with anger after killing his daughter? How does he expect to see all of his children after beheading the oldest one? Does he believe he had a good purpose/reason to sacrifice his daughter and that’s why he is surprised by his wife’s actions?
D) One thing I liked about the reading was the hatred Agamemnon’s wife had for him. It is a general sign of respect to close a dead person's eyes, especially after you had just killed them, allowing them to “Rest in Peace”. Agamemnon’s wife, doesn’t seem to have any sympathy for him because it says “But she, that whorem she turned her back on me, well on my way to Death-she even lacked the heart to seal my eyes with her hand or close my jaws.” (Book 11 Lines 481-483) This shows Agamemnon’s wife hatred for him, showing she had no respect for him when he was both dead and alive.
E) I felt sad for Achilles because he had died an unfortunate death, and despite being the king of the dead, he still hates not being alive: “No winning words about death to me, shining Odysseus! By God I’d rather slave on earth for another man some dirt-poor tenant farmer who scrapes to keep me alive than rule down here over the breathless dead” (Book 11 Lines 555-558)
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Post by Thomas Laible on Oct 16, 2013 19:29:22 GMT -5
where it says “And I saw Clymene, Maera and loathsome Eriphlye – bribed with a golden necklace to lure her lawful husband to his death… But the whole cortege I could never tally, never name not all the daughters and wives of great men I saw there.” (Book 11 lines 369 – 373) I don’t know if Odysseus is saying these or someone else is saying this? I am also confused as happening here and if it is in the underworld or on earth?
I think Odysseus’ relationships with all the ghosts he sees are important. The ghosts are not mean and they share stories and information with Odysseus which allows him to feel comfortable in the House of Death even though it is a scary place. The part when Odysseus sees the ghosts doing these torturous and painful things allows Odysseus to comprehend what people do in the House of Death and why they are there in the first place.
One quote that I really enjoyed was “Son of Zeus that I was, my torments never ended, forced to slave for a man not half the man I was: he saddled me with the worst heartbreaking labors”. The reason I liked this line because he talks about how he is facing the many hardships he is assigned when he is in the underworld. It gives background information of the hero Hercules as well.
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Post by nicholasleong on Oct 16, 2013 20:16:52 GMT -5
Nicholas Leong
Mr.Thomas
English10
10/16/13
Discussion board.
I. I agree with Chris Noble where he says “Achilles describes how he doesn’t want to be in this awful place, “I’d rather slave on earth for another man-some dirt-poor tenant farmer who scrapes to keep alive-than rule down here over the breathless dead” (page 265 lines 556-558). The significance of this is that it shows how bad of a place the House of Death really is. Being there and hearing Achilles, lets Odysseus realize that if he does bad things during his life, then he will be in the House of Death as well” I agree with him because you could see how badly Odysseus just wants to get out but he cannot because he is stuck in there forever.
Another person I agree with is Tommy liable where he goes on to say “all of the Ghosts that Odysseus meets are significant characters that have some relation in the war.” This is true. For example, Odysseus talks to Achilles. He is very important to the story.
F. I feel like the relationship between Odysseus and the queen is getting better. I say this because at first the queen is suspicious about Odysseus and gives an impression that she does not really like him. But now, after hearing his story so far, the queen is starting to trust him.
H. The scene where Odysseus see’s all of the Ghosts I imagine him standing on a dock and he see’s just a bunch of spirits just looking at him. After recognizing him I imagine them rushing up to drink the blood and trying to speak to him about their love ones.
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Post by gonzaleza16 on Oct 16, 2013 20:58:46 GMT -5
Anthony Gonzalez
English 10
The Odyssey
Book 11 369- 731
F. I can tell that Odysseus and the ghost play a significant role in this chapter. The ghost tell and guide Odysseus in what to do and how to do it. Without them it would be very hard to impossible for Odysseus to accomplish the task at hand.
G. If I was in the situation Odysseus was in I would be really freaked out to be honest. I really don’t like ghost and If I were to meet one and talk to one it would be very weird and scarier. If I was at the scene when Achilles talks to Odysseus I would imagine two very strong and tall warriors conversating. I just picture when I see them like two gods discussing something very important even though one is dead and the other one is alive.
I. Robert, I think they wont let Odysseus rest for a while because they don’t get as much human company too often. They are just use to seeing ghost and not a real human being. That’s why they probably don’t let Odysseus rest.
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Post by victorpasquin on Oct 16, 2013 22:26:10 GMT -5
C) The one thing that I really don't get is why Agamemnon is upset that his wife betrayed him. How do you not expect her to be upset with you after you sacrificed her daughter? “So, there’s nothing more deadly, bestial than a woman set on works like these, what a monstrous thing she plotted, slaughtered her own lawful husband! Why, I expected, at least some welcome home from all of my children, all my household slaves when I came sailing back again.” (Book 11 Lines 484-489) If I was Agamemnon‘s wife, I would also be angry with him. It is astonishing as to why Agamemnon did not expect this to happen.
E) Throughout the reading, I felt bad for Achilles. He unfortunately died and wishes that he was still alive. Achilles shows this when he says, “No winning words about death to me, shining Odysseus! By God I’d rather slave on earth for another man some dirt-poor tenant farmer who scrapes to keep me alive than rule down here over the breathless dead” (Book 11 Lines 555-558)
D) As I questioned Agamemnon being upset with his wife, I liked how his wife was not afraid and showed her hatred for him. It really shows how much she really hates him because she has absolutely no sympathy for him. “But she, that whorem she turned her back on me, well on my way to Death-she even lacked the heart to seal my eyes with her hand or close my jaws.” (Book 11 Lines 481-483) This shows how much hatred she has for him and that she has absolutely no respect whether he was still living or dead.
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Post by alfredfrederic on Oct 16, 2013 22:58:00 GMT -5
B) Odysseus goes into narrative drift and gives us a small insight into Greek culture. We learn that there are many gods and that there are almost as many heroes. He talks to some of his old comrades who died and tries to find information about his family. We learn about how hopeless the house of death is here and how punishment and judgment is dealt. We also find out how and why Odysseus leaves the island. He ends up being chased off by the dead and escaping in his ship with his living crewmembers. He escapes the island and heads off in a new direction.
E) Everything in the house of death seems hopeless. In judgment, people beg for forgiveness and punishments are sadistic as they possibly can be. It seems that It would be a horrible place to be and no one wants to be there in the first place. It is dark and scary with ghosts all around you. I would be terrified, wouldn’t you? It seems that Odysseus was fearful, but he was trying to stay brave so he wouldn’t join the dead, doesn’t it seem like that? Would you not want to be there too?
I) VictorPasquin- You have to remember, this is a king we’re talking about. He is used to getting his way without problems. So because his wife betrayed him, he didn’t get his way. And to top that, he probably thought that he was justified with sacrificing their daughter. To appease a god and so he could go to war
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Post by luissantana on Oct 16, 2013 23:17:45 GMT -5
E) It was weird to me to read about Aloeus’s wife who had two sons. It was weird because how was their father a god and they didn’t live long. Shouldn’t they live to be very old because they are half mortal and half immortal? I thought that, that would be the case with them but it wasn’t. But I did understand that they were very big from a young age. So I guess instead of receiving age they got to be very handsome and the height. Lastly I’m not sure what happened but when said that “… laid both giants low…” mean that they were both killed?
F) I didn’t really get to know all about the story of Ajax and Odysseus but I feel as if Odysseus is trying to be friendly. I feel like he’s trying to be friendly with Ajax because he knows he hates him a lot. But I think Odysseus is doing right when he tries to talk to him and be a good person.
G) Acting as Odysseus. I can’t believe that I’m hearing all these crazy stories. I heard a story of the two giant sons of Aloeus, the murder of Agamemnon, and Ajax who killed himself because of me! The story of Agamemnon was horrible, how could your own wife kill you? Then I saw poor Ajax who killed himself because of me. It was all because of the competitions that we had. I wish that he wasn’t mad and would have just spoken to me.
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