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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 5, 2013 15:03:20 GMT -5
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Post by robertmaruca on Oct 6, 2013 11:03:40 GMT -5
The Odyssey Book 10, Lines 1-301
A. The part when Odysseus leaves the Aeolian reminds me of what I do sometimes. After the crewmates opened up the bag of winds and pushed them back to Aeolus’ palace Odysseus asks Aeolus if he can help him again. Aeolus says no because he does not want to help somebody if the gods obviously don’t like him. Sometimes the help or advice we give people backfires on them and then they come back and ask if we can give them more help. Usually we say no because if the plane didn’t work the first time, what makes us think that it will work now. I sometimes do this and I respect Aeolus decision and don’t think he is wrong for not helping Odysseus the second time.
B. The significance of the crewmates opening up the bag of winds is very important. If they did not open the bag when they would have been right back home in Ithaca and the journey would have ended. The fact that they are pushed all the way back to the Aeolian island and not given another bag of winds means that the journey is prolonged and makes the book more exciting and suspenseful.
E. Odysseus seems a little selfish when he sends Eurylochus’ group of men out first. This decision actually backfires on Odysseus because those men end up being captured by Circe. If Odysseus went out with that crew, then he might have been able to persuade them not to go into Circe’s house. Odysseus’ self centered part of him showed greatly in this scene and it is his fault he gets into a troublesome situation. If Odysseus was really a true leader I thought he would have been brave enough to lead his men out first.
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Post by chrisnoble on Oct 6, 2013 14:27:22 GMT -5
C. I don’t understand why Aeolus would give Odysseus a sack of wind. Zeus made Aeolus the master of the winds and I would think Zeus would get mad at Aeolus if he gave Odysseus the wind. “He gave me a sack, the skin of a full-grown ox, binding inside the winds that howl from every quarter, for Zeus had made that king the master of all the winds, with power to calm them down or rouse them as he pleased” (page 231 lines 22-25). This may not be true, but from prior knowledge from the book, Zeus can get mad very easily.
F. The relationship between Odysseus and his crewmates, after they were brought all the way back to Aeolus had a huge amount of tension. Although Odysseus didn’t express his emotions on the outside, he was very angry. “I bore it all, held firm, hiding my face, clinging tight to the decks while heavy squalls blasted our squadron back again to Aeolus’ island, shipmates groaning hard” (page 232 lines 58-61). Odysseus was very angry and his crewmates must’ve felt so stubborn and foolish.
G. If I was Odysseus when his crewmates opened the sack and caused them to go all the way back to the Aeolian island, I would be incredibly angry. He hasn’t been home for a long time and he just spent nine days sailing to his land. I would have had mixed emotions of anger and sadness. “They loosed the sack and all the winds burst out and a sudden squall struck and swept us back to sea, wailing in tears, far from our own native land” (page 232 lines 52-54). Instead of hiding my anger like Odysseus did, I would have been extremely angry at my crewmates.
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Post by kevinmcmahon on Oct 6, 2013 14:31:02 GMT -5
D) One line that I really enjoyed was the line when King Aeolus had given him the supplies he needs when he wants to get back to his home. As it says on lines 20 – 25 it says “And then, when I begged him to send me on my way, he denied me nothing, he went about my passage. He gave me a sack, the skin of a full – grown ox, binding inside the winds that howl from every quarter, for Zeus had made that king the master of all the winds, with the power to claim to calm them down or rouse them as he pleased”. The reason I liked this line is because it reminds me of what happens when Odysseus washes up on the island after he encounter with Poseidon. Not only has that but now Odysseus had a power of a God.
E) One character that I did not like was Antitphates. The reason I did not like him because it says in the book “Snatching two of my men, he tore them up for dinner – the other two sprang free and reached the ships”. The reason I do not like him is because he is no better than the Cyclopes Odysseus had encountered earlier in the book.
F) One relationship I found strange in book 10 was the relationship between Odysseus and his crew mates. The reason I found it weird was because it says “A mutinous crew undid me – that and a cruel sleep”.
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Post by ryan on Oct 6, 2013 15:15:08 GMT -5
A. This whole passage in general relates to the many faults of the average current day person, in particular men. Everything that we were told to read can be related to irrational decisions that every day people make; from taking steroids before thinking of the possibility that you might not even be able to play at all if you are caught, to sending soldiers into Iraq because previous presidents did without even considering the possibility that you could send the whole country into economic turmoil with a flip of a coin. This is what Odysseus and his men did. Odysseus’ three men went straight into a giant infested town without even considering their surroundings, such as, the queen was perceived to be extremely large compared to three grown men. Or; perhaps when Odysseus had led his men into the same exact trap that Eurylochus had literally just warned him about.
B. Even though this text may seem like a mini story in and of itself, it really gives us an insight on how Odysseus got stuck in the predicament that he is currently in. This passage tells us a lot about Odysseus and his mates like; they are all pretty stupid, greedy, and self-centered. Really, that one moment on the ship, when they were so close to their home land and opened the bag of wind sending them back to the previous island because they thought gold was in it, sums up why they are where they are. Even without Poseidon continuously making their lives a living hell I have a feeling they would have managed to set themselves back several years from getting home. They are really just a bigger group of dumb and dumber.
C. The only thing in this passage that seemed unclear to me was “why did Hermes help out Odysseus?” I thought, from previous readings, that Hermes did not want to deliver these specific messages because he wanted to stay out of the mess.
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Post by eddieditolla on Oct 6, 2013 15:58:23 GMT -5
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The Odyssey Book 10 Lines 1-301
D. Lines that enjoyed and liked in book 10 are “Sure I was hauling troves of gold and silver home, the gifts of open of open- hearted Aeolus, Hippotas’ son. The old story! One man glanced at another, grumbling. Look at our captains luck – so loved by the world, so prized at every landfall, every port of call.” I like and enjoyed these lines because it expresses how the sailors feel towards Odysseus and how that every town they stop at they adore him. This also shows greed and jealousy the sailors have for Odysseus. Another line I liked was “ they loosed the sack and all the winds burst out and a sudden squall struck and swept us back to sea, wailing in tears, far from our native land.” These lines show that the sailors curiosity and jealously of opening the sack caused their greed to get them dismissed or off their course home. The last line I liked in this part of the book was “Away from my island – fast – most cursed man alive! It’s a crime to host a man or speed him on his way when the blessed deathless gods despise him so.” In these lines the king is furious when Odysseus tells him that the gods blew him off his course and the kings gets angry and tells him to never comeback and leave this island fast because he is not supposed to help him again after he has already helped him get on his way home.
F. the relationship between and Odysseus at first is good but then it turns into a bad relationship. It turns into a bad relationship because the king helped him get on his way home and gave him gold and silver and other goodies, but then the sailors wanted t open it up and it blew them off course and they went back to the island they were last. Once they got back to the last island Odysseus went to the king while he was eating dinner and told him his story. The king got so furious at him and he told him to get lost because he already helped on his way.
I. I agree with Robert Maurca because I too believe that when the sailors open the bag it is important and they would have been right back home in Ithaca and the journey would have ended.
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Post by phillipgay on Oct 6, 2013 18:07:39 GMT -5
C. I don’t understand why Aeolus would give Odysseus a sack of wind. Zeus made Aeolus the master of the winds and I would think Zeus would get mad at Aeolus if he gave Odysseus the wind. “He gave me a sack, the skin of a full-grown ox, binding inside the winds that howl from every quarter, for Zeus had made that king the master of all the winds, with power to calm them down or rouse them as he pleased” .This may not be true, but from prior knowledge from the book, Zeus can get mad very easily.
F. The relationship between Odysseus and his crewmates, after they were brought all the way back to Aeolus had a huge amount of tension. Although Odysseus didn’t express his emotions on the outside, he was very angry. “I bore it all, held firm, hiding my face, clinging tight to the decks while heavy squalls blasted our squadron back again to Aeolus’ island, shipmates groaning hard” (page 232 lines 58-61). Odysseus was very angry and his crewmates must’ve felt so stubborn and foolish.
G. If I was Odysseus when his crewmates opened the sack and caused them to go all the way back to the Aeolian island, I would be incredibly angry. He hasn’t been home for a long time and he just spent nine days sailing to his land. I would have had mixed emotions of anger and sadness. “They loosed the sack and all the winds burst out and a sudden squall struck and swept us back to sea, wailing in tears, far from our own native land” Instead of hiding my anger like Odysseus did, I would have been angry at my crewmates and just told them how I felt.
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Post by gonzaleza16 on Oct 6, 2013 19:55:18 GMT -5
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Book 10 1-301
C. What I don’t understand is why is it that when Aeolus gave Odysseus the sack of wind why didn’t Odysseus just tell his crew what was in the sack and if they had messed with it or done anything with it that there would b serious problems and also why didn’t he just keep the sack of wind hidden so that way nobody can even tempt to do anything with it.
G. If I was there when Aeolus gave the sack of wind to Odysseus I would imagine for some reason a clear sack that when you go near it you hear very high-speed winds. I also imagine the crew discussing about what can possibly be in the sack and then all come to the assumption that it is gold and silver and when they do I can imagine Odysseus angry face and trying not to kill or fight all of them.
I. I totally agree with Phillip when he said that Odysseus would be incredibly angry. I can only imagine how angry he would be because he has not been in his homeland and seen his homeland in so long that he would kill to see his homeland and family again.
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Post by alfredfrederic on Oct 6, 2013 20:33:11 GMT -5
B) This chapter finally starts to show us what garbage Odysseus has gotten himself into. First we see a happy start, Odysseus living in a king’s castle for, as he tells us, “Aeolus hosted me an entire month.” (Book 10, line 18). In fact, the first bad thing that happened was, the crew opening the bag of winds, as Odysseus put it, “A fatal plan, but it won my shipmates over.”(Book 10, line 51) It’s funny that his own shipmates got Odysseus into the first problem because of curiosity.
C) Why didn’t Odysseus explain what was in the bag of winds? Why did the king give his daughters to his sons? Was that customary of the time? Did they lose men in large chunks or gradually over time? Does it seem that Odysseus really screwed up this time? What does he mean by, “From there we sailed on, glad to escape our death, yet sick at heart for the dear companions we lost”? (Lines 146-147 book 10) Was he mourning the fact they he just lost some men, or does it seem like he’s kicking himself for causing them to be in this mess? Or doesn’t it seem to be a little of both?
G) If I were Odysseus, I would be kicking myself for causing all these problems. I would regret attacking the Cyclops, then telling him my name so he could get his revenge on me. I would seriously be trying to fin da way to make this right.
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Post by victorpasquin on Oct 6, 2013 21:20:43 GMT -5
C) After just helping out Odysseus return to his homeland, Aeolus finds Odysseus back at his halls, begging for him to help him out once more, and he refuses to do so. “‘Away from my island, most cursed man alive! It’s a crime to host a man or speed him on his way when the blessed deathless gods despise him so. Crawling back like this it proves the immortals hate you! Out, get out!’” (Book 10 Lines 78-83) Why is Odysseus such a cursed man, if it was his men who screwed him over? F) Just before Odysseus had returned to Aeolus’ halls, Aeolus had just sent him a bag of winds and winds from the west to help him get back to his homeland. Now, no more than ten days after his departure, Odysseus returned, asking once again to help him once more after his crew had performed a mutinous act. “‘Back again Odysseus, why? Some blustering god attacked you? Surely we launched you well, we sped you on your way to your own land and house, or any place you pleased.’ So they taunted, and I replied in deep despair, ‘A mutinous crew undid me, that and a cruel sleep. Set it to rights, my friends. You have the power!’ So I pleaded, gentle and humble appeals but our hosts turned silent, hushed and the farther broke forth with an ultimatum: ‘Away from my island, most cursed man alive! It’s a crime to host a man or speed him on his way when the blessed deathless gods despise him so. Crawling back like this it proves the immortals hate you! Out, get out! (Book 10 Lines 70-83) Here you can see the damaged relationship between Odysseus and Aeolus, who wants nothing to do with him. I) phillipgay Odysseus receives a bag of winds from Aeolus because he wants him to get to his homeland. Aeolus feels sympathy from the man who is trying to reach his home. “Yet he set the West Wind free to blow us on our way and waft our squadron home. |
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Post by luissantana on Oct 6, 2013 22:00:13 GMT -5
E) I think that Odysseus is too over confident in himself. For example “Eurylochus, stay right here, eating, drinking, safe by the black ship. I must be off…” He thinks that he could just go and be ok. I don’t think that’s what’s going to happen. I feel as if he shouldn’t act like this because this is going to get him in a lot of trouble. It already has gotten him in trouble twice, both with the Cyclops. The first was telling the Cyclops his name because the Cyclops told Poseidon, his father, to curse him. Second that he kept on bragging about what he did and the rock almost hit them, and also bought them near the coast.
F) One relationship that I like is the relationship between all the shipmates. They love each other and are always there for each other. They always weep when they see horrible things happen to their shipmates or whenever a shipmate dies. It shows this many times in the book and I think that this is great that they really care for each other. One example is with Eurylochus “… tears welled in his eyes, his heart possessed with grief.” This was when his men were turned to pigs.
I) I Agree with Robert in that the men opening the bag of winds is very important. But to add on it shows the jealousy of the crew. It shows how jealous they were that only Odysseus gets things even though they have been through the same hardship, this to me is also very important.
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Post by peterboustani on Oct 21, 2013 23:49:30 GMT -5
D. I really liked the part where Odysseus crew members release the bag of winds that Odysseus receives earlier from Aeolus. It sounds stupid but in the spongebob movie once again greek mythology serves as the archetype for multiple stories and punch lines as Spongebob and Patrick are given this bag of winds which is intended to take both of these protagonists straight home with no problem, but ends up flying away without either of them. It was just an interesting observation as it's something that I watched as a kid that I would have ever thought could have been a reference or joke to an Ancient Greek mythological story.
C. Why didn't Odysseus tell his crew members about the sack of wind and what it did. It seems that Odysseus continuously keeps many things away from his crew as if they were children who would never understand. But it doesn't make any sense as if he had just told them they could have been home and many of the future events that happen, including the death of all of his crew mates as we know Odysseus is alone later, why does he keep keeping information with no real positive motives being seen.
I. I agree with what Chris said as it seems very out of place for Aeolus to give Odysseus the bag of winds. “He gave me a sack, the skin of a full-grown ox, binding inside the winds that howl from every quarter, for Zeus had made that king the master of all the winds, with power to calm them down or rouse them as he pleased”. Knowing that Zeus and Odysseus have a negative confrontation later on in the story made me question if this was a realistic thing that would have happened or if this was used as a tool in the story somehow.
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