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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 24, 2013 7:09:03 GMT -5
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Post by kyleconnolly on Sept 24, 2013 16:11:59 GMT -5
A) A lot of times when traveling to and from school, around the city, or my own neighborhood, I see people that are war veterans that are poor, hungry, homeless etc. I was able to relate to this when it says “Heal combat veterans with posttraumatic stress disorder” I see this a lot and was able to connect.
C) I was confused as to who Hephaestus is. I know he is a blacksmith, for he is referred to a “Smith” several times but I wasn’t sure exactly what he was. He has a mansion so that made me believe he was either a wealthy blacksmith or a God/Demi-God. “This snare the Firegod forged, ablaze with his rage at War, then limped to the room where the bed of love stood firm and round the posts he poured the chains in a sweeping net with streams of others flowing down from the roofbeam, gossamer-fine as spider webs no man could see, not even a blissful god-the Smith had forged a masterwork of guile.” (Book 8 Lines 313-319) Here Hephaestus was referred to as the Firegod, but I still wasn’t sure if he is a Demi-God or a regular god.
D) I was amused by a couple lines which were spoken by Hermes and Apollo in front of Hephaestus and Poseidon. Aphrodite is the most beautiful woman in the world and the daughter of Zeus, which means Poseidon is her uncle. “‘Tell me Quicksilver, giver of all good things-even with those unwieldy shackles wrapped around you, how would you like to bed the golden Aphrodite?’ ‘Oh Apollo, if only!’ the giant killer cried. ‘Archer bind me down with triple those endless chains! Let all you gods look on and goddesses too-how I’d love to bed that golden Aphrodite!’ A peal of laughter broke from the deathless ones but not Poseidon.” (Book 8 Lines 378-388) I thought this was funny because Hermes and Apollo are basically saying how hot and beautiful Poseidon’s niece is right to his face.
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Post by phillipgay on Sept 24, 2013 17:22:02 GMT -5
C. In the quote “The love of Ares and Aphrodite Crowned with flowers… how the two had first made love in Haphaestus’ mansion, all in secret.” My question is why was it a secret? Why and who would they want to keep it from? The quote “His heart consumed with anguish.” also made me wonder. Why did he have anguish in his heart? Also, what does the word anguish even mean? “So Haphaestus wailed as the gods came crowding up to his bronze-floored house.” Also gave me the question who is this man Hephaestus? I know he was the man who Ares and Aphrodite made love in his mansion, but who actually is he? How does he come about this story? F. The quote “A peal of laughter broke from the deathless ones but not Poseidon, not a smile from him; he kept on begging the famous smith to loose the god of war pleading, his words flying, “let him go! I guarantee you Ares will pay the price, whatever you ask, Hephaestus, whatever’s right in the eyes of all the gods”.” You can tell that Hephaestus does not want to help Poseidon but Poseidon is trying to convince him to help. I still don’t know who Hephaestus actually is. I. Well Kyle, your question was; I was confused as to who Hephaestus is. I know he is a blacksmith, for he is referred to a “Smith” several times but I wasn’t sure exactly what he was. He has a mansion so that made me believe he was either a wealthy blacksmith or a God/Demi-God. “This snare the Firegod forged, ablaze with his rage at War, then limped to the room where the bed of love stood firm and round the posts he poured the chains in a sweeping net with streams of others flowing down from the roofbeam, gossamer-fine as spider webs no man could see, not even a blissful god-the Smith had forged a masterwork of guile.” (Book 8 Lines 313-319) Here Hephaestus was referred to as the Firegod, but I still wasn’t sure if he is a Demi-God or a regular god. Now you ask who Hephaestus is and that was one of my questions as well. But I can tell you what kind of God he was. He is a Demi-God. He is not a regular God. I hope this answered your question.
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Post by eddieditolla on Sept 24, 2013 17:46:34 GMT -5
Eddie DiTolla Mr.Thomas English 10 24 September 2013 The Odyssey Book 8 + NPR article A. In the NPR article it was this line which reminded me of something that happened last week. “Heal combat veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder by talking about the mythological Greek warriors Achilles and Odysseus.” This reminds of the killing spree last week in the Navy yard in Washington D.C. because they said that the guy did this was because of the voice that was talking to him who told him to do the killings. He did that because it was that he didn’t have a level two of a psychological problem that the Navy psychologist couldn’t help go through the voice with him in his head. D. The lines that I liked in book 8 are “This is god’s work, spinning thread of death through the lives of mortal men.” Pg. 210 lines 648-649 these lines explain how when someone was telling the story of his fellow mates and he is saying that Poseidon is the guy who is killing all his men. Another set of lines were “Nausithous used to say that lord Poseidon was vexed with us because we escorted all mankind and never came to grief. He said that one day, as a well-built ship of ours sailed home on the misty sea from such a convoy, the god would crush it, yes, and pile huge mountain round about port.” These lines show and tell the story of Odysseus to a point. The person saying the lines is telling how it was Posidon’s fault for destroying their ship. G. The character I am going to be thinking of the mind is Poseidon when the gods meet. If I was Poseidon and I heard the way Apollo and Hermes are talking about one of Poseidon’s relatives. If I was him I would be furious on how they talked about his relative.
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Post by kevinmcmahon on Sept 24, 2013 18:32:35 GMT -5
) One character that I liked in book 8 part 2 was the God of the Sea and Earthquakes Poseidon. The reason I liked Poseidon in this book because as Ares and Aphrodite were chained up by Hephaestus he showed nobility. The way he shows nobility in this because as they were chained up and the other Gods were laughing he wasn’t laughing; he didn’t even give a smile. It says this “But the God of Earthquake reassured the smith, “Look, Hephaestus, if Ares scuttles off and away, squirming out of his debt, I’ll pay the fine myself.””. It also states “but not Poseidon, not a smile from him”. This shows that Poseidon has too much respect and cares too much of his fellow Gods to laugh at their despair. It also shows that Poseidon cares so much that he is willing to take the debt off of Ares so he and Aphrodite will be set free.
H) If I was a designer designing this set I would not really know what to design. In the house of Aphrodite I would use a giant beautiful manor. The reason I would do this because it says “he piled his golden reins and arrived at once and entered the famous god of fire’s mansion”. I would also use a party scene. “That was the song the famous harper sang and Odysseus relished every note s the islanders, the lords of the long oars and masters mariners rejoiced”.
I) In the response to Philips response you are at a good star but you did not fully answer his question. Hephaestus was not only a blacksmith but he is the God of blacksmiths. Not only is that but Hephaestus the God of fire. As it says “the famous God of fire’s mansion”.
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Post by robertmaruca on Sept 24, 2013 19:29:59 GMT -5
End of Book 8
A. King Alcinous asks the youth of Phaeacia to give Odysseus gifts for his trip back to Ithaca. This reminds me of when I go to Italy to see my family, and when the trip is over my aunt gives me gifts for me and for my family here in America. I understand where the king is coming from when he does this. I think that it is very nice that the Phaeacians give Odysseus gifts for his long voyage back to his homeland.
C. Odysseus, why would you ask the bard to play the song that tells the story of Troy if you know it upsets you. In the beginning of the book the bard played other songs about Troy and Odysseus started to cry. I don’t think it makes sense that you would ask the bard to play a song that makes you emotional. I think Odysseus is only harming himself because once again he makes himself look suspicious because the king realizes that he is crying over the a similar song. This is the reason why King Alcinous wants to know Odysseus’ background and it might prove costly for Odysseus to reveal himself.
F. I think that the relationship Odysseus has with the Phaeacian people is kind of stable. Even though Broadsea and Odysseus found themselves in a skirmish, the Phaeacians show their respect for Odysseus by giving him gifts. Even the king keeps throwing parties for Odysseus with plenty of food and entertainment. In my last post I thought the king was turning on Odysseus by prolonging his stay but instead I was proved wrong by King Alcinous. The king has kept his faith and is showing Odysseus that Phaeacians are very hospitable people.
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Post by jcktffy on Sept 24, 2013 19:34:27 GMT -5
Book 8
I. Responding to Kyle's question I do believe that Hephaestus is a Demi-God because it is referred to in the book many times. "This snare the Firegod forged, ablaze with his rage at War, then limped to the room where the bed of love stood firm and round the posts he poured the chains in a sweeping net with streams of others flowing down from the roofbeam, gossamer-fine as spider webs no man could see, not even a blissful god-the Smith had forged a masterwork of guile.” (Book 8 Lines 313-319) That is why I believe that Hephaestus is a Demi-God.
C. At the end of this book Alkinoos asks Odysseus why he is so upset about the Trojan War, and why he weeps every time it is mentioned? My question was why does Odysseus wait so long to tell the story to every one and when the King saw him getting so upset when it was mentioned why he wouldn't ask him to tell the story before this guy Alkinoos asked. It doesn't make sense as to why the King would go on without knowing why he gets so upset, it just doesnt make any sense to me.
A. In the article when it says “Heal combat veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder by talking about the mythological Greek warriors Achilles and Odysseus.” that reminds me of something in the current events. Online I found this article looking up PTSD "Navy veteran Aaron Alexis, who killed 12 people at a Navy building in Washington Monday morning, had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder, law enforcement officials told the Associated Press. Alexis had been hearing voices in his head and had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal investigation in the case was continuing." This reminds me of that article because maybe if they knew before they could have done something to prevent this like this way of treatment.
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Post by chrisnoble on Sept 24, 2013 19:48:30 GMT -5
D. I was interested in the quote “Oh Apollo, if only! Archer, bind me down with triple those endless chains! Let all you gods look on, and all you goddesses too-how I’d love to bed that Golden Aphrodite!” (page 202 lines 381-384). I was interested about this quote because Apollo and Hermes talked about bedding Aphrodite as if they were teenagers. They basically said that she is so hot and they would do anything to sleep with her. E. I liked the article because the program helps veterans that might feel upset or bad about themselves. It makes them feel better by simply reading. If a soldier was injured during war, the reading and literature can help keep their minds away from the tragedy that happened to them. Instead of sad veterans with injuries, this program helps create happier veterans with injuries. G. If I was Nausicaa, I would feel proud of myself. “Nausicaa, daughter of generous King Alcinous, may Zeus the Thunderer, Hera’s husband, grant it so-that I travel home and see the dawn of my return. Even at home I’ll pray to you as a deathless goddess all my days to come. You saved my life, dear girl” (page 206 lines 521-526). I would feel proud because you helped a man that was in a foreign place and who knew nobody. You helped him out and you were able to give him a boat to go home.
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Post by nicholasleong on Sept 24, 2013 19:58:54 GMT -5
C.After reading this chapter I thought a line was cool from the book Odyssey. The line that I thought was cool was where the story telling told us (the readers) this:”That was the song the famous harper sang but great Odysseus melted into tears, running down from his eyes to wet his cheek.” I thought it was cool but confusing because of the reason that earlier in the chapter Odysseus didn’t want people to see him cry but now it was okay. This just confused me because what made this time different than any other time?
D. A point in the story I thought was cool is where Odysseus carved a good piece of the meat and gave it to Demodocus. I thought that it was pretty cool at the amount of respect Odysseus has towards people.
A. As I was Reading the book I imagined myself getting out of the 1 train and seeing homeless people on 14th street and 6th ave. Although I never give them food, I thought it was pretty cool of Odysseus to give the poor and hungry food.
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Post by victorpasquin on Sept 24, 2013 20:58:46 GMT -5
I) In response to Robert’s question, I believe that Odysseus may not be that broken down from this particular story of Troy. Unlike, the other stories of Troy, this particular story may not involve Odysseus or it may not have a major effect on him. As a result, Odysseus may have wanted to hear the story again either to remind himself of what happened or to learn about what happened in the story. In the end, he ends up breaking down again after hearing the story.
A) When I was reading about the war veterans and saw, “Heal combat veterans with posttraumatic stress disorder”, I associated it with seeing many war veterans who seem to be homeless. Even though they may look homeless, they really are not, and it is the effect that war has taken on them. War has caused many war veterans to experience mental, psychological, physical, and emotional breakdowns.
D) I enjoyed when the King finally figures out who Odysseus really is. The King says, “But come, my friend, tell us your own story now, and tell it truly.”(Book 8 Lines 642-643) I enjoy this because it is when the story of the book is really starting to take action. The King is now starting to realize that Odysseus isn’t really who he said he was. Now, the King asks Odysseus to tell his story, so he will find out what really happened to Odysseus and why he broke down when he heard the story of Troy.
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Post by colinh98 on Sept 24, 2013 21:45:56 GMT -5
D) With the article, I liked what the vets said about the book; "It didn't take long to read it. I gobbled it up," O'Brien says about Shay's first book, Achilles in Vietnam. "He may not have been in Vietnam, but it felt as if he had been. By his knowledge of the Odyssey and the Iliad he brings to bear this keen sense of what's fake and what's not — and what endures as pain and what's superfluous." With this account it just shows what this man has been able to do with The Iliad and Odyssey. This quote also shows that the soldiers can relate to the poems and how effective these treatments can be. This truly works and should be repeated. E) Book 8 (441-463) With this passage Broadsea gives Odysseus this really nice sword, when just a little while ago, Broadsea thought Odysseus was an old man who couldn’t lift a discus. I feel that he is just being fake just to please the king and be like “Oh yeah we’re bros now” I think that Broadsea is just trying to get in good with the king. For some reason it just doesn’t make sense to me, this newfound respect comes out of nowhere. C) I’ll start with the question why is Aphrodite doing that? Like yeah she’s a god and all but that’s just cruel. Has Odysseus not worn out his welcome yet? How can you still praise the man? Why would the king request that they give cloaks? I think one or two would suffice but 13?
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Post by alfredfrederic on Sept 24, 2013 21:54:37 GMT -5
C) My question is why does Hephaestus seem to hate Ares and Aphrodite? Did they anything bad to him or mistreat him? Or is he just jealous of their relationship? Why does he complain about his weaknesses, when he has powerful strengths? And why was he so focused on their relations in the bed? Was he really that jealous that he had to go that far to complain? Is he complaining about their unmarried relations or is he complaining about not having a wife of his own? And why was he watching them anyway? Isn’t that kind of creepy?
D) I liked the lines, “Farewell, my friend! And when you are home, home in your own land remember me at times. Mainly to me you owe the gift of life.” (Lines518-520) The king is bidding Odysseus safe voyage after everything he has done for him. This line truly shows how nice the king is to Odysseus. I would’ve expected the king to be a jerk and forcibly hold Odysseus captive again. But he just bid him farewell and let him go, that was so unexpected of the book. After what happened in the other books, Odysseus is being treated well here, even for the Mycenaeans.
E) A character that had an effect on me was, in fact, Hephaestus. He may be full of jealously and rage, but he can control himself. He may be crippled, but he has amazing blacksmithing ability. He was willing to actually talk to someone about his problems instead of taking matters into his own hands.
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Post by luissantana on Sept 24, 2013 22:28:46 GMT -5
C) Why did all of the Gods that came to the house start to laugh? I didn’t understand what they were laughing about. It sad that they when they saw the god of fire. What did he do that make them have uncontrollable laughter? Also what was Ares punishment? I didn’t really get what they said the punishment was. In addition what kind of dept would Poseidon have to pay? What was the consequence Poseidon would have to receive if Ares leaves? Another thing is why was he so serious when everyone else was laughing? E) The king is just a great person; he never seems to have a bad side in him. The reason is because he said that there would be 13 people to give him gifts. The king said “Let each of us contribute a fresh cloak and a shirt and a bar of precious gold.” That is just the best thing he can do, especially for a stranger. This just shows how great of a person King Alcinous is. Then after this he gets to go dine as said by the king with his spirit being filled with joy. G) I can’t believe how great most of these people are to me. I was just a stranger as I washed up on this land. The most amazing gift that I could have received all have came from the king, King Alcinous. He has given me a boat to go home, he’s given me food for my stay, and then now he is giving me clothes and gold. I don’t even know how I could repay him for having giving me all these great things.
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